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11-28-2008, 06:06 AM | #111 |
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It's very unlikely that the current M3 will get that TT V8 like you've been suggesting. The strict CO2 regulation starts in 2012 with the 120g rule being applicated to every new car from 2015 on. As you see, plenty of time and just the right time frame for the next generation M3. Best regards, south
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11-28-2008, 07:08 AM | #112 |
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I agree that the likelihood of a t/turbo v8 is slim at best, but why assume that it has to be a inline 6 with twin turbos. Is it not possible for BMW to develop an entirely new engine solely for the next M3, maybe the current vee engine minus a cylinder off each bank. This way the weight should be even less than the inline equivalent plus the length of the engine is almost halved and there is even less possibility of the engine overhanging the front axle and a better chance of adopting the turbo in between the cylinder banks.
South I would guess you already know the engine choice for the next M3 and it's an inline as you said, but to me it is a shame to not use some of the basic designs used from the current M3/5/6. |
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11-28-2008, 07:25 AM | #114 |
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Seems smart to me!
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11-28-2008, 09:55 AM | #115 |
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As I see the current direction in BMW philosophy, it is melding the old-style M traditions with the emerging corporate image of high-tech euro green reality. I am content with my decision to get a 335 rather than the M3. Both are overweight; I am passing time with an affordable utilitarian fun car that can fit my 3 large sons, waiting for the day that the tremendous recent advances in materials science are realized. The Z2 M, with a 270hp turbo 4cyl, weighing around 1,000 kilos dry, will not be your father's BMW M in a lot of ways, but in the most important ones -- fun to drive, freude am fahren -- I think it will be. I don't think the next M3 will be quite as dramatic, it seems to have been sucked into a dual-purpose executive daily driver niche.
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11-28-2008, 11:48 AM | #117 |
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how about an 2.2l i4 with 9k redline + turbo for the new gen m3 that produce 480hp? haha
for example, the s2000 just a 2.2l i4 that produce 240hp. So this must be doable. This will in turn reduce weight significantly too because the s2000 i4 weight next to nothing. I this would make more sense for m car than to fit a low reving engine with turbo. Then it would be the same as the 335i. |
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11-28-2008, 01:41 PM | #118 | |
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That being said I do believe the next M3 will more than likely have some kind of different change under the hood, but what that will be remains to be seen...... |
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11-28-2008, 02:21 PM | #119 |
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Since when does the M-Division care about fuel economy?
BMW keeps on slipping up - for one thing, why is there an X6M? Better yet, why is there an X6 and no M3 CSL? |
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11-28-2008, 02:56 PM | #120 | |
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11-28-2008, 04:35 PM | #122 | |
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Yeah, f'ing marketing guys put their 2 cents in far too often for my liking. I agree with what someone else said earlier that this inline 6 engine choice would be too close to the main stream 335i for my liking. Even if they went for a dual charger system (turbo + supercharger) would make it different enough to separate it from the rest and give it that instant punch. Maybe the engine choice isn't that important as long as the end result meets everyones expectations. |
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11-28-2008, 04:53 PM | #123 |
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+1 Yep, that's my take on it.
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11-28-2008, 04:53 PM | #124 | |
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Supercharger + turbo is stupid, no reason to do things just to be different for the sake of being different. I prefer efficiency. |
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11-28-2008, 05:42 PM | #125 |
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Because turbo lag sucks is you are trying to balance the car in corners with the throttle.
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11-28-2008, 05:52 PM | #126 |
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Depends on the type of turbo's that bmw is talking about. The turbos on the 335 have very minimal turbo lag if any at all.
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11-28-2008, 05:57 PM | #127 |
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I'm sure the next M3 will be an exciting car but I don't agree with changing powertrain philosophies from what we have now. I sold a 'torquey' supercharged car to buy my '09 M3 and haven't looked back. Don't miss it at all either. Here's hoping the next-gen GT3 can be had in the US without a moonroof.
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11-28-2008, 05:58 PM | #128 | |
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There is still lag.
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11-28-2008, 06:09 PM | #129 |
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+2 I've been expecting this trend and makes one think that tucking away a hi-po V8 would be cool.
Also, I'm not saying I don't embrace the notion of smart HP increases using forced induction.
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11-28-2008, 06:30 PM | #130 |
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What kind of vehicle was it? Are you we comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges
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11-28-2008, 06:35 PM | #131 | |
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P.S. The latest superchargers are very efficient and such a combination with a turbo would not only reduce lag to a level that it wouldn't be felt at all but allow a smaller/lighter engine to be used, thus improving handling even more. |
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11-28-2008, 06:37 PM | #132 |
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Well those with the 29.2 + Progmans DO have more lag than the older cars....the software detune was initiated in response to wastegate rattle complaints by customers.
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