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      01-17-2019, 08:05 AM   #89
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well, depending on how old your m3 is, and how much load you're going to start putting on it- you have to evaluate costs in rebuilding your oem calipers and replacing your rotors. mine lasted around 60k before they started to take a dump.
the dust boots were shot, i was getting uneven pad squeeze (rust fade extending from hat), and inner most drilled holes had cracks starting to extend from them. rotors and calipers on the cheap side are about $1k. then factor in a set of race pads for about $200. take into account the added pain of swapping pads with an oem caliper, and you might as well cough up another $1k and get a bbk.

if you're able to run the same pads front and rear, thats another plus- rotating pads.
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Yeah a buddy of mine has an m3 and is a cheap ass so he gets all my parts. I think the rotors only have maybe 20k on them. I’ll prob do the bbk just for ease of swapping pads. I may hold off on the coilovers for now and spend that cash on track experience. I’m fine with what I have for now.
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Well I'm pretty lazy, would make pad swaps much easier. Lol. Plus I need them to match. Hahaha
I just leave my track pads on 100% lol. That's the best lazy

Even if you swapped the fronts out to street the rears don't do anything so just leave a track pad on there.
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      01-18-2019, 12:12 AM   #92
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Yeah a buddy of mine has an m3 and is a cheap ass so he gets all my parts. I think the rotors only have maybe 20k on them. I’ll prob do the bbk just for ease of swapping pads. I may hold off on the coilovers for now and spend that cash on track experience. I’m fine with what I have for now.
Throw on a BBK, get seats/harnesses, and then spend a year learning how to drive the car at the limit safely. Once you max out what a stock chassis/motor/suspension will do, then work on upgrades.

It will make you a much better driver than dropping $30k on track upgrades right out of the gate.
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      01-18-2019, 06:27 AM   #93
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That’s the plan. For now. I’m sure it will change and I’ll order all sorts of junk. Haha
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      01-20-2019, 11:22 PM   #94
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the problem is I have already done about everything but safety stuff and rear bbk, and coilovers. I figure why not get it setup from the get go so I can learn with the car. I got bored and black Friday sales caught me at a weak moment, lol. Or maybe it was the Jameson, ha Got to install a few parts I have in the garage and I think Im ready for the TX heat. I may hold off on the coilovers until I can out drive the current setup.

I appreciate all the input, just signed up for 2 more hpde days.
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just ordered some pfc08 as well. I think I should be set. Thinking of the Schroth pro quick fit for now, , will order both sides. Then time to have fun and learn
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I just leave my track pads on 100% lol. That's the best lazy

Even if you swapped the fronts out to street the rears don't do anything so just leave a track pad on there.
I only drive the car maybe once a week? and just to run errands and get the kiddo from school. I should be ok
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the problem is I have already done about everything but safety stuff and rear bbk, and coilovers. I figure why not get it setup from the get go so I can learn with the car.
I'm speaking from experience. Take with a grain of salt.

My friend and I started doing HPDEs at about the same time in early 2000. We both had the same car when we started, E46 323Ci. We both had a bunch of work done to the car already, but me being the tinkering type, kept changing out brakes, wheels, tires, suspension...etc thinking that I can be faster if the car is faster.

He was made instructor in 2003 while I toiled away as a B/C student for nearly 6 years, attending every single HPDE I can back then (choices were slim, just BMW CCA and Driving Concepts holding events in my area). During the period of time, not only did I change the parameter of the car constantly (Wheels. Tires. Big brakes. Brake compound. Springs. Shocks. Intake. Exhaust. You name it. I changed it), I also took a bunch of different cars to each event: My 323Ci, Z4 3.0i, Nissan 350Z, Subaru WRX...etc.

At one point we joked that I never drove the same car in back to back events. And in reality, I didn't. I was never able to do consistent laps, something was almost always changing in how the car performed. I never got comfortable and I never LEARNED as much as I should, because every single event I was struggling with something that was changed on the car.

In hindsight...I should have just stuck with the same car with the same mods while I was learning to become a better driver. All that tinkering should have been done after I made the Advanced group, because not only was I struggling with understanding the dynamics of my car, because it was constantly in flux, I wasn't even near to taking full advantage of each and every mod I was installing between events.

Now, if you were to say, my friend was a natural driver and hence he progressed through the ranks much quicker? I dunno. All I know is, now, nearly 2 decades later, you throw the two of us in the same car, like ///M days at Thermal, our AX times would be within hundredth of each other (with me coming out on top most of the time) and our battles on the local electric kart track is EPIC.

I think my constant tinkering and changing of cars is what held me back for so long.

The ONE side benefit from all that tinkering? You can throw me in any car and I'll figure out how to wring the mofo out of it fast within 3 laps. But honestly? 99% of fundamentals of driving fast doesn't change from car to car.

My advice? DO NOTHING to the car except for tires and vital fluids. Keep going to DEs until you get to a point where you can rip lap time without traffic to within tenth of each other, lap after lap. When you can feel the difference in 2PSI's change in tire pressure, and can anticipate the change in car's condition (brake getting hot, tires getting greasy...etc) and account for said change, and still keep within a few tenths of a second of your fast lap? Then start altering the parameters and see what sort of behavior change the car exhibits.

Otherwise you're just wasting time and money.
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Yeah a buddy of mine has an m3 and is a cheap ass so he gets all my parts. I think the rotors only have maybe 20k on them. I'll prob do the bbk just for ease of swapping pads. I may hold off on the coilovers for now and spend that cash on track experience. I'm fine with what I have for now.
Throw on a BBK, get seats/harnesses, and then spend a year learning how to drive the car at the limit safely. Once you max out what a stock chassis/motor/suspension will do, then work on upgrades.

It will make you a much better driver than dropping $30k on track upgrades right out of the gate.
I instructed a guy with a 1000 hp challenger with upgraded everything. Still got passed by about 1/2 the field because he had to park it in the corners or went off track.

The biggest mistake I made was starting out with a SC'd 330ci and then adding a limited slip diff after my 3rd event.
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      01-21-2019, 11:57 AM   #99
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      01-22-2019, 10:45 AM   #100
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I guess I will just stick with the setup I have for now. Will throw the pads on and swap tires/wheels when I’m there and call it a day for now. Is there anyway to just leave the pads on all the time? Will it jack something up or sound like a school bus. Lol
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I guess I will just stick with the setup I have for now. Will throw the pads on and swap tires/wheels when I’m there and call it a day for now. Is there anyway to just leave the pads on all the time? Will it jack something up or sound like a school bus. Lol
I have a Quick fit in the closet out of my E90 if you still need one. Not sure the times you are running but I would just stick with the stock stuff the brakes are good for Cresson, you wont over heat a good pad out there. Suspension I would not dive into until you feel you have pushed the stock stuff passed it limits. I will be out for the Apex day on 3/2 1.7cw. hope the weather will be better.
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I think read where the e90 and 92 were different. Already ordered pads so might as well toss them on lol. I am signed up for that day as well. Hopefully the weather doesn’t suck as bad. That was rough
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I think read where the e90 and 92 were different. Already ordered pads so might as well toss them on lol. I am signed up for that day as well. Hopefully the weather doesn't suck as bad. That was rough
Pads and fluid are always necessary for safety. The factory rotors and calipers are good for Cresson.
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