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      06-07-2019, 02:31 PM   #1
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I have a 2009 e92 M3 I bought new almost 10 years ago and currently has 12000 miles on it. The tires are original and I didn't noticed any cracks on it. The question is it safe to drive on it?
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I have a 2009 e92 M3 I bought new almost 10 years ago and currently has 12000 miles on it. The tires are original and I didn't noticed any cracks on it. The question is it safe to drive on it?
I wouldn't risk it. There was a theory on the crash that took the life of Paul Walker that old tires played a role.
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      06-07-2019, 02:52 PM   #5
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i just recently took off the original tires on my 2011 m3. i ran them on a 1000mile roadtrip which saw some triple digit speeds without issue, but figured i already used up my luck and changed them out.
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I have a 2009 e92 M3 I bought new almost 10 years ago and currently has 12000 miles on it. The tires are original and I didn't noticed any cracks on it. The question is it safe to drive on it?
It's safe but you'll have more fun riding on new rubber. Old tires are much harder and less compliant compared to new tires.

And fun is the only reason to have this car...
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I have a 2009 e92 M3 I bought new almost 10 years ago and currently has 12000 miles on it. The tires are original and I didn't noticed any cracks on it. The question is it safe to drive on it?
I wouldn't risk it. There was a theory on the crash that took the life of Paul Walker that old tires played a role.
Yeah there's a good article I read recently on that... here it is https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/518...rs-fatal-crash
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      06-07-2019, 06:14 PM   #12
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I have raced on 10 year old tires...

Michelin states that their tires can last 10 years as long as you inspect them starting at year 5. If you car has been kept in a garage most of its life and the rubber does not show any cracking, then you should be fine.

But I agree with others: go light em up so you have an excuse to buy a nice new set of PS4S!!!

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      06-07-2019, 06:23 PM   #13
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Just do couple of burnouts ,couple of doughnuts and put new tires on.
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Yeah there's a good article I read recently on that... here it is https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/518...rs-fatal-crash
That article is silly.

Driving a twitchy Porsche at 90MPH around a 45MPH corner leading to a 15MPH corner seems like poor planning, regardless of the tires mounted on the car.

Sometimes your luck runs out.
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I would burn them down to the cords and then buy new. Start spinning and sliding!
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Yeah there's a good article I read recently on that... here it is https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/518...rs-fatal-crash
That article is silly.

Driving a twitchy Porsche at 90MPH around a 45MPH corner leading to a 15MPH corner seems like poor planning, regardless of the tires mounted on the car.

Sometimes your luck runs out.
I don't think the theory is silly, once you lose control of a mid engine car they're harder to recover than a traditional front engine car, add old tires to that equation and it's a recipe for disaster. The owner/driver, Roger, of the car had tons of track/racing experience and was a very successful business man who wasn't thought of being a reckless driver. He owned the racing shop along with Paul in that corporate block so one could assume they've taken that same corner numerous times at similar speeds in other high performance vehicles. A tragedy none the less and tire age/condition is something that should never be overlooked, especially in a hyper car.
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It's safe but you'll have more fun riding on new rubber. Old tires are much harder and less compliant compared to new tires.

And fun is the only reason to have this car...
My 2008 with 5,300 miles had original tires until last week. The grip is dramatically better with new tires and I definitely felt more confident pushing the car in the twisties with the new tires... The car is also quieter and simply just feels better. I went with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. No regrets; money well spent.
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I don't think the theory is silly, once you lose control of a mid engine car they're harder to recover than a traditional front engine car, add old tires to that equation and it's a recipe for disaster. The owner/driver, Roger, of the car had tons of track/racing experience and was a very successful business man who wasn't thought of being a reckless driver. He owned the racing shop along with Paul in that corporate block so one could assume they've taken that same corner numerous times at similar speeds in other high performance vehicles. A tragedy none the less and tire age/condition is something that should never be overlooked, especially in a hyper car.
I did not say the theory was silly. I said the article was silly.

The driver of the car put himself and his passenger at risk by driving an unfamiliar car, known to be twitchy and high strung, at high speeds on public streets. Sucks for those guys. Lucky no one else was hurt.

And, given he did have racing experience, he should have known to keep that shit at the track.
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I don't think the theory is silly, once you lose control of a mid engine car they're harder to recover than a traditional front engine car, add old tires to that equation and it's a recipe for disaster. The owner/driver, Roger, of the car had tons of track/racing experience and was a very successful business man who wasn't thought of being a reckless driver. He owned the racing shop along with Paul in that corporate block so one could assume they've taken that same corner numerous times at similar speeds in other high performance vehicles. A tragedy none the less and tire age/condition is something that should never be overlooked, especially in a hyper car.
I did not say the theory was silly. I said the article was silly.

The driver of the car put himself and his passenger at risk by driving an unfamiliar car, known to be twitchy and high strung, at high speeds on public streets. Sucks for those guys. Lucky no one else was hurt.

And, given he did have racing experience, he should have known to keep that shit at the track.
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I don't think the theory is silly, once you lose control of a mid engine car they're harder to recover than a traditional front engine car, add old tires to that equation and it's a recipe for disaster. The owner/driver, Roger, of the car had tons of track/racing experience and was a very successful business man who wasn't thought of being a reckless driver. He owned the racing shop along with Paul in that corporate block so one could assume they've taken that same corner numerous times at similar speeds in other high performance vehicles. A tragedy none the less and tire age/condition is something that should never be overlooked, especially in a hyper car.
I did not say the theory was silly. I said the article was silly.

The driver of the car put himself and his passenger at risk by driving an unfamiliar car, known to be twitchy and high strung, at high speeds on public streets. Sucks for those guys. Lucky no one else was hurt.

And, given he did have racing experience, he should have known to keep that shit at the track.
The article also doesn't mention the temperature, high performance tires can be very temperature sensitive.
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I have a 2009 e92 M3 I bought new almost 10 years ago and currently has 12000 miles on it. The tires are original and I didn't noticed any cracks on it. The question is it safe to drive on it?

had a similar situation with 5 year old tyres looked completely fine decided to powder coat my wheels black just for a change. whilst removing tyres off the rims the cracks became evident 2 weeks later I got new tyres
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Please get new tires. Even if they look new or don't have any cracks but have a very old DOT date. Get new tires and be safe. It's the only thing between the road and the car itself.
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The PS2 and Conti these came with, even when brand new, aren’t near as good as the modern summers like the new Conti ECS or Michelin PS4S. You’ll notice a huge improvement immediately in all respects. Pull the trigger

At 10 years the changes from age aren’t always apparent from the outside. Remember the tires also are exposed to pressurized air from inside, which even if you do a “nitrogen fill” contains oxygen which slowly acts on the inside of the tire.
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