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      11-05-2019, 07:50 PM   #1
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Angry Sad conclusion to brief experience

tl;dr - if you want to make illegal mods, then don't pass the buck. That's shitty. Own your decisions and repercussions.

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      11-05-2019, 08:04 PM   #2
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Sorry to hear but when you test drove the car, was it not evident sound wise the car was off with all those mods?
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This would not have cost much to fix. Buy a used x pipe, used rear exhaust and flash in a stock tune.

The seller probably sold it to the dealer as is. I would not use a dealer that does not bother to check out a car it is buying.

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This is an unusual post for a enthusiast forum... As you mentioned a very simple fix. If you loved the car, options, color, mileage, etc I would've spent $300 on an OEM x pipe and called it a day. Far worse problems could be lurking in a future purchase.

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what if you just had the dealer flash the car with the oem software and swap in an oem xpipe? if you like the car, it isn't that much to make it "legal" and pass any inspection. its less than an hour of work and completely reversible.
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You don't belong in a m3 anyway. Case closed.
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Going back to stock would've been pretty damn easy...and probably worth it if the car was otherwise what you wanted.

1) How in the world did the PPI not catch this? Even the most incompetent shop should be able to see that the car had no cats.

2) How did you not catch this? Was this the only E9x car you drove? Did it not seem the slightest bit louder? I mean c'mon man. Primary delete and mufflers add a ton of sound to these cars.

3) The fact that this car was modified probably means an enthusiast prior owner. A cat delete is not ricing the car.


EDIT: saw that this was in fact the only E9x you drove. I don't know man, some better due diligence would've helped here.
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I'm now considering buying another e95, but I'm on the fence with the % of people that want to rice it out as though it was a Honda or Nissan and think that some minor increase in sound/HP is worth the negatives and issues.
Damn kids and their ricer e95's. Get off my lawn!
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what if you just had the dealer flash the car with the oem software and swap in an oem xpipe? if you like the car, it isn't that much to make it "legal" and pass any inspection. its less than an hour of work and completely reversible.
Amen. And as I mentioned above it was probably a car well taken care of. I mean, the OP did buy the car so it must have at least showed well.

I would be just as annoyed at the shop who performed the PPI...
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You could sell those mods with stock exchange + cash. Win-win for everyone.
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I initially asked the dealer to return it to stock - replace the cats and muffler. They they indicated they couldn't locate the parts, while BMW was telling me they were available. Then, then dealer was preferring to just buy it back and so I said sure. The GM called at the end of the day and that door seemed to still be open, but I doubt they would be willing to do after market.

and now here I am....
The message I am hearing is I should have known, accepted and then privately addressed ay my cost.
Well just be glad they are buying it back

On to something else.
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Was starting to think this was a troll. But not the case.

From your purchase post - I think you're not going to be as in love with an OEM xpipe and exhaust. Probably would've been worth riding along in an unmodified car before losing all this money and time. Might be right back where you started after 6 months...

"Hi All,
I have been on-again-off-again thinking of buying a 2013 M3 for the last 2 years based on a recommendation and research.

Long story short, I just bought one today. Once I drove it, I was in love. OMG

I have a lot to learn about it and get to know it and totally looking forward to it.

I did get a PPI done and they said it looked clean. sooner than later, rear brakes, oil....

Any tips/advice welcome!!
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Was starting to think this was a troll. But not the case.

From your purchase post - I think you're not going to be as in love with an OEM xpipe and exhaust. Probably would've been worth riding along in an unmodified car before losing all this money and time. Might be right back where you started after 6 months...


Cheers"
Really? You think I will find it shit stock?
No - But it will sound very different and muted in comparison. The real loss could be (assuming tune included it) the DTC software turned back to US stock vs GTS. That will be apparent!

Again these are all simple fixes if you find the new dream car. But will cost a few $$$ too get those mods back.

I'd prioritize low miles, clean history, and service records over frustrations around removing mods you don't like. These cars are money pits in nothing but the best way. Even with the best intentions, it's likely you'll want to make changes... Just ask the wives of this forum.
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I searched last night to understand what emissions standards the car was under and then search for non oem parts(not used) that met the standards and had no success. Disclaimers everywhere. I left many follow up emails, but....
tell the dealer you need part number 18307848117 installed or they can buy it back.
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=18_0745
then flash it with 240e software (it will cost the dealership nothing). its that simple. there isn't any acceptable aftermarket parts.
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No - But it will sound very different and muted in comparison. The real loss could be (assuming tune included it) the DTC software turned back to US stock vs GTS. That will be apparent!

Again these are all simple fixes if you find the new dream car. But will cost a few $$$ too get those mods back.

I'd prioritize low miles, clean history, and service records over frustrations around removing mods you don't like. These cars are money pits in nothing but the best way. Even with the best intentions, it's likely you'll want to make changes... Just ask the wives of this forum.

I hear you. If I purchase, I'll be looking the the priorities you list and do my own intentionally. I think the spirit of my post got lost and that is just be honest to the buyer. PS - I bought it for my "wife"
Awesome. Best of luck and kudos on the thoughtful gift!
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I looked at this last night too. It would need two of those right?
And a 18302184201 - the muffler
just one xpipe. its all one unit.
i presumed your car already has a muffler. you only need that xpipe to pass emissions from what you described. the muffler should bold right up. post a pic of your exhaust and we can help you figure it out.
oem rear exhausts go for about $150-200.
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so its the oem muffler that has been modified? post a picture of the rear muffler tips (any brand logos).
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BMW stated $7800 parts and labor for cats and muffler
lol. you can buy those parts for less than $500 on here easily and have them put on for $150.
if they are going to be completely stupid about it just make them buy the car back.
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OP - I'm not sure if this will help, but this sounds like a 1 out of 10 (10 being bad) in terms of being screwed by a dishonest E9x seller. So so many more things are 10x worse than essentially test pipes and an OEM mod... to name a few: dumping a rod knocking car, hiding an accident with significant body damage, various oil leaks that could occur, etc.. Selling a car with this MINOR of a list of modifications is pretty much nothing in terms of dumping "cost" onto another owner unexpectedly. If you had a PPI, which any buyer should do, it would have caught this ~$300 fix, and I'm sure you could have shaved it off the purchase easily. I'm kind confused by the entire thing I just read.... you could probably trade a modified x-pipe & modded OEM exhaust for stock and made a few hundred bucks on the deal easily. :
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look. i found an oem setup on here in a matter of minutes (i'm not affiliated).
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1591915
you could find something similar in your area and have it put on and get the car flashed back to the oem software.
then sell your "test pipes" (thats what what you have is called) and whatever rear section you have and you'll probably break even.
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BMW stated $7800 parts and labor for cats and muffler
Why are you using a dealer for ANY quotes for anything being done to the car? You literally might as well go to an atm, withdraw money, and burn it. Find an Indy shop that will do better work, and help you for 1/100 the cost. literally
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lol. you can buy those parts for less than $500 on here easily and have them put on for $150.
if they are going to be completely stupid about it just make them buy the car back.
BMW is not the dealer I bought the car from. That dealer has said they can't find the parts in stock. Yet, BMW does have them, but the price...
Corporate owner of the dealership is massive owning 36 BMW dealerships and a total of around 200 others. It's a Merc dealership. Thus why I'm trusting none.
Tell the dealer you will consider the offer to buy it back (just in case), go find a reputable Indy shop specializing in BMW M cars, should be easy to find... get a proper PPI and a real assessment of the mods and what they recommend as far as going back to stock.. should be nothing to go back to stock. If the PPI clears the other aspects then you can keep the car and move on with the super simple stock x-pipe and exhaust path, which is probably at worst a net zero cost. It's very simple....
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