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      10-28-2008, 12:50 PM   #1
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Is Sarah Palin Preparing for 2012?

Sarah Palin may soon be free. Soon, she may not have the millstone of John McCain around her neck. And she can begin her race for president in 2012.

Some are already talking about it. In careful terms. If John McCain loses next week, Sarah Palin “has absolutely earned a right to run in 2012,” says Greg Mueller, who was a senior aide in the presidential campaigns of Pat Buchanan and Steve Forbes. Mueller says Palin has given conservatives “hope” and “something to believe in.”

And even if the McCain-Palin ticket does win on Nov. 4 — and Mueller says it could — “if McCain decides to serve for just one term, Sarah Palin as the economic populist and traditional American values candidates will be very appealing by the time we get to 2012.”

It is clear that while trying to bond with voters, John McCain and Sarah Palin have not managed to bond with each other. Perhaps we should not be surprised. They barely know one another.

When McCain appeared on the “Late Show With David Letterman” on Oct. 16, McCain praised Palin but went out of his way to point out how little he knew about her before he chose her as his running mate. “I didn’t know her real well,” McCain said. “I knew her reputation. I didn’t know her well at all. I didn’t know her well at all.”

The discomfort between the two can be palpable. Chuck Todd, the NBC News political director, was in the room when Brian Williams interviewed Palin and McCain recently. “There was a tenseness,” Todd said later. “When you see the two of them together, the chemistry is just not there. You do wonder, is John McCain starting to blame her for things? Blaming himself? Is she blaming him?”

I am guessing one and three. John McCain is blaming Palin for demonstrating her inexperience and lack of knowledge. And Palin is blaming McCain for running what she views as a bad campaign — a campaign that did not go after Barack Obama over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and did not exploit Obama’s statement about how small-town people “cling” to guns and religion — and for never picking a clear message that had any traction with voters.

But here’s the difference: If McCain loses, he doesn’t get to run again, and Palin does.

All that negative stuff about her? Charging Alaska taxpayers a per diem allowance for 300 nights she spent at home, flying her kids at state expense to events they were not invited to, accepting wildly expensive clothes from the Republican National Committee and, according to one ethics panel, having abused her office as governor?

Not only will all that have faded by the 2012 campaign, Palin already has her defense ready: Some of these accusations are part of a double standard that is applied to women and not to men.

She says Hillary Clinton ran into the same problem.

“I think Hillary Clinton was held to a different standard in her primary race,” Palin told Jill Zuckman of the Chicago Tribune recently. “Do you remember the conversations that took place about her — say, superficial things that they don’t talk about with men, like her wardrobe and her hairstyles, all of that, that’s a bit of that double standard. Certainly there’s a double standard.”

Palin went on: “But I’m not going to complain about it, I’m not going to whine about it, I’m going to plow through that because we are embarking on something greater than that, than allowing that double standard to adversely affect us.”

If she runs in 2012, Palin will run to shatter the glass ceiling. By then, Americans may have shown they are willing to vote for an African-American for president, but how about a woman?

Mueller thinks Palin would make a strong candidate. There certainly will be others jockeying for the job. And Mueller named Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour.

But Mueller thinks that, while some conservative intellectuals have deserted and derided Sarah Palin, the Republican base likes her and could stick with her.

“She would run in 2012 as the populist, conservative reformer that she was originally introduced to the country as,” Mueller said. “If Obama wins, you will see him moving the country to a sort of Euro-socialism. That will fail, and she can target an economic-populist message to the country.”

Mueller also argues that Palin could run a more convincing campaign on traditional conservative issues in 2012 than McCain has in 2008

“One weakness in McCain’s campaign is not campaigning on strong, pro-life, traditional values issues,” Mueller said. “There has been a certain level of discomfort over the years by McCain over guns, God and life issues.”

Mueller says McCain and Palin could still win next week. But if that happens, Mueller thinks Palin should get a lot of the credit. “A lot of conservatives are not excited by John McCain, even though I think he has been saying some good things,” Mueller said. “If they vote, they will vote for Sarah.”

And if not in 2008, maybe in 2012.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/14997
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I don't agree w/ the article completely but, discuss....
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Wrong forum, Mr. LA...This post belongs to "The Lighter Side/ Humor" section
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Wrong forum, Mr. LA...This post belongs to "The Lighter Side/ Humor" section
Well, I honestly don't think Palin would win the Republican nomination in 2012 but it would be interesting to see whether she fails miserably or succeeds beyond expectations.

Would she make it as far in the Republican primary as Hilary did in the Democratic primary?
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Well, I honestly don't think Palin would win the Republican nomination in 2012 but it would be interesting to see.
I agree. She can run all she wants but I don't think she will win the nomination. If the republicans loose this election and loose many seats in congress be prepared to see a huge restructuring/reinvention of the republican party.
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If the republicans loose this election and loose many seats in congress be prepared to see a huge restructuring/reinvention of the republican party.
Let's all hope so ...The first step IMO? Get rid of all the Jesus freaks and ultra right wing hardcores and get back to the core values of what being a Republican was all about. Studying and reading Abraham Lincoln's life should give some hints of direction.
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Let's all hope so ...The first step IMO? Get rid of all the Jesus freaks and ultra right wing hardcores and get back to the core values of what being a Republican was all about. Studying and reading Abraham Lincoln's life should give some hints of direction.
I actually like true Republican values and whatnot but I don't like the Bush-enomincs family nor do I like the way the party has conducted themselves for the past 15 years.

Till I see something new, I'll stick with the 'other team'.

Obama/Biden 08.
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Really? The least prepared candidate in the history of time? Never ceases to amaze me...

Plus, we really need her up there to watch Putin's rearing head.
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How long has Obama been in the Senate again?
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How long has Obama been in the Senate again?
This doesn't have to do with physical time. It has to do with being prepared.

Take two kids in your college class; they're the same age and have gone through the same length in school, but if one gets consistent A+ grades and is president of his class, and the other one gets C's and is floating by, always seeming to discover things you'd think they'd already know.... which one would you pick for your class project?
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This doesn't have to do with physical time. It has to do with being prepared.

Take two kids in your college class; they're the same age and have gone through the same length in school, but if one gets consistent A+ grades and is president of his class, and the other one gets C's and is floating by, always seeming to discover things you'd think they'd already know.... which one would you pick for your class project?
Didn't Palin go to 5 different colleges in 6 years?

"She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated.

Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college."
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This doesn't have to do with physical time. It has to do with being prepared.

Take two kids in your college class; they're the same age and have gone through the same length in school, but if one gets consistent A+ grades and is president of his class, and the other one gets C's and is floating by, always seeming to discover things you'd think they'd already know.... which one would you pick for your class project?

Of course you aren't mentioning the fact that Obama is running for President, and Palin for VP.


How does this not have any weight?
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Well, I honestly don't think Palin would win the Republican nomination in 2012 but it would be interesting to see whether she fails miserably or succeeds beyond expectations.

Would she make it as far in the Republican primary as Hilary did in the Democratic primary?
I'm sure that would depend on whether she's running as an incumbent or just as a previously seen Republican candidate.

If the former, she'd have to do an exceedingly good job in order to move up from VP to P (and I don't see that happening), and if the latter, I think she'd be a bad choice, as the smartest thing for the Republicans to do would be to move, as a whole, more toward the middle, rather then court the religious ultra-conservatives.
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I actually like true Republican values and whatnot

Do you mean to say that you like the idea of a limited federal government ...and great autonomy by the states...as was originally intended by the drafters of the Consitition..
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This doesn't have to do with physical time. It has to do with being prepared.

Take two kids in your college class; they're the same age and have gone through the same length in school, but if one gets consistent A+ grades and is president of his class, and the other one gets C's and is floating by, always seeming to discover things you'd think they'd already know.... which one would you pick for your class project?
Just because you make A's does not mean you are a better leader
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And Obama hasent led anything

Palin has
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Of course you aren't mentioning the fact that Obama is running for President, and Palin for VP.


How does this not have any weight?
...because the thread is about Palin running for President?

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Just because you make A's does not mean you are a better leader
Not necessarily, you're correct. I'm saying, which of the two I described would you rather have helping with your class project? Remember one of them has already proven leadership by being class president, and the other is still learning things they really should have known years ago.

Unfortunately Miss Palin is simply a pretty face that made it to running the smallest (population) state in our country. That was only made possible after running a town of 5,000 people, also acquired by having a pretty face. She has proven that besides her charm, she is not ready to lead a country. I can't believe this is even a discussion.
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If McCain fails and the GOP loses as much ground as is expected in the Congress the party will be in a rebuilding mode. There is no way they'll be looking to go deeper to the right.
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The only thing that broad should be preparing for is an embarrassing landslide on Nov. 4th, and then going home to impeachment hearings.
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And Obama hasent led anything

Palin has
hasent...hmmm, really?
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She can always go to work for Fox News.
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...because the thread is about Palin running for President?
When you quoted previously about Obama in the Senate, your next post was comparing Obama and Palin.
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