Advice! Turning a stock E92 into a force on the street?

[CravingBavaria]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

OP, as you mention getting a M2c in the future but hating the F8X, just know it is basically the exact same car. I've instructed and tracked in both.

My E92 that is more or less FBO (karbonius intake, catless/hfc xpipe, tune) feels pretty damn fast on the street. The E90 stroker is at another level of course, but it's also another level of cost.

The E92 could be made faster with headers and 292 cams. When I had that setup on the E90 I got 412whp but with 284 cams. The 292s would take you to 420-430whp. Again though, that's a ton of money to drop on a car. It would be much cheaper to just bite the bullet and get a ESS G1 kit which is very solid.

For tunes, please stick to ESS/Epic/RK.

Thanks for the input. The stock whp is 340-350 or so? The cams are expensive, but would potentially be cool down the line. Are the headers a couple thousand as well?

So far from some discussions I've had with others and this thread, I think the starting point is HFC xpipe and a tune to go with it, similar to what you stated above. I will look into the tunes you noted. Is something like the MS Stage 2 intake worth it? Karbonius is awesome, but a little out of my plans.

Also with the M2, you aren't wrong, but my idea is to get that one in 6MT and I like the smaller body compared to the F8X. I think the 6MT should add back some of the character lost on the newer body style, and balance out the DCT E92 very well.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CravingBavaria

Thanks for the input. The stock whp is 340-350 or so? The cams are expensive, but would potentially be cool down the line. Are the headers a couple thousand as well?

So far from some discussions I've had with others and this thread, I think the starting point is HFC xpipe and a tune to go with it, similar to what you stated above. I will look into the tunes you noted. Is something like the MS Stage 2 intake worth it? Karbonius is awesome, but a little out of my plans.

Also with the M2, you aren't wrong, but my idea is to get that one in 6MT and I like the smaller body compared to the F8X. I think the 6MT should add back some of the character lost on the newer body style, and balance out the DCT E92 very well.

Stock is around 340-350. With a catless or HFC aftermarket xpipe that has the X in the right place, plus an intake and tune and 93 octane you get to ~375whp
So 375whp = $1200 xpipe+$400 intake+900 tune = 2500

To get to ~410whp it'll cost:
282 cams 2.5k + headers 2.5k + header xpipe 1.2k + tune 0.9k + karbonius 2.7k = 9.8k

To get 420-430whp it'll cost:
292 cams 3.5k + all the other stuff = 10.8k

Or you just buy this for 7.5k and be at 550-600whp
https://esstuning.com/s65-g1-interco...harger-system/
Given your opening post and thread title I strongly suggest you do the supercharger. Getting NA whp out of a 4.0L NA engine is almost impossible.

There are plenty of good intakes that are reasonably priced, MS II, AFE, Dinan, etc.

[roastbeef]

You bought the wrong car.

[SAMM3Y]

Lose weight and gear it... the car not OP

Even with a tune and full exhaust I kind of like the way the power is delivered in a stock tuned car. I'd rather put the $1k towards a shorter gear set and titanium exhaust.. lose 40lbs on the battery and work on trimming the fat... then like others have said, learn to drive it at it's full potential, not saying you can't but post modify.

I really like my car with stock x pipe with akra rear stock tune and 4.10's with a short rear tire, it was a lot of fun. Having said that its not staying that way

[CravingBavaria]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Stock is around 340-350. With a catless or HFC aftermarket xpipe that has the X in the right place, plus an intake and tune and 93 octane you get to ~375whp
So 375whp = $1200 xpipe+$400 intake+900 tune = 2500

To get to ~410whp it'll cost:
282 cams 2.5k + headers 2.5k + header xpipe 1.2k + tune 0.9k + karbonius 2.7k = 9.8k

There are plenty of good intakes that are reasonably priced, MS II, AFE, Dinan, etc.

I realize my first post was a bit ambitious for wanting to keep the car NA. I am not against a supercharged M3, I just want to see what I can do with this car I have now without supercharging it. Maybe one day I'll give the supercharger a shot on another one.

I like your first option and that is what I was looking for with this post. Again, the post was ambitious, but I was really only looking at ways to pick up ~30hp, stabilize some things and make it a little more grippy, and lose some weight.

I also do like the possibility of something like cams or headers if I wanted another step toward 400 down the line, but not just yet.

Originally Posted by SAMM3Y

Lose weight and gear it... the car not OP

Even with a tune and full exhaust I kind of like the way the power is delivered in a stock tuned car. I'd rather put the $1k towards a shorter gear set and titanium exhaust.. lose 40lbs on the battery and work on trimming the fat... then like others have said, learn to drive it at it's full potential, not saying you can't but post modify.

I really like my car with stock x pipe with akra rear stock tune and 4.10's with a short rear tire, it was a lot of fun. Having said that its not staying that way

Can you expand on the shorter gearing/4.10 concept? That's new to me and I'm interested in the idea.

I will definitely start practicing driving it to it's potential in stock form to see what it's capable of.

[SAMM3Y]

I drive a 6mt so getting to and staying in the power band is easier with a shorter gear set, you're not waiting as long for the car to wind, it gets to speed quicker. I guess the difference isn't that significant on paper to stock but it makes a difference, more rev happy especially on a NA car. Think of when you change gears on your bicycle, with a shorter gear you can pedal quick and get to speed quickly but with a taller gear the load costs more energy and it slowly winds but ultimately gets going faster than the shorter gear.

[pbonsalb]

If you have 18s, run 285/30/18 rear tires and you will get an idea what 4.10 is like. I run them now but on 18x10.5 Apex ARC8 rears rather than heavy stock wheels.

[ha9981]

Talk to a therapist? This isn't a joke. Doing it for these reasons is serious unhealthy.

Hopefully you won't end up following through only to look back at how you molested your car to be a force on the streets.

[redline9001]

You guys are all wrong ...if you want to be fast on the street you only need one thing.... NOS ... two bottles and you are good to go ....

[Kwike92M3]

Originally Posted by ha9981

Talk to a therapist? This isn't a joke. Doing it for these reasons is serious unhealthy.

Hopefully you won't end up following through only to look back at how you molested your car to be a force on the streets.

You lost me here.
He paid for the car, he can do as he pleases with it. If the dude wants to throw every autozone chrome accessory he can find for it, its his choice to do it.
But not modifying a car because its "molesting" it is insane.
AKA... porsche owners.

[CravingBavaria]

Originally Posted by ha9981

Talk to a therapist? This isn't a joke. Doing it for these reasons is serious unhealthy.

Hopefully you won't end up following through only to look back at how you molested your car to be a force on the streets.

Lmao if you only knew how much thought I've put into everything I've done to this car so far. I will be following through with some things pointed out here, and the car will not be molested by any means. If I want the car to go back to how it was stock, I could do that with ease so your post is childish and invalid. Move along.

[ha9981]

Originally Posted by CravingBavaria

Lmao if you only knew how much thought I've put into everything I've done to this car so far. I will be following through with some things pointed out here, and the car will not be molested by any means. If I want the car to go back to how it was stock, I could do that with ease so your post is childish and invalid. Move along.

Pftttt childish. You got outdone by your friend. Had you not said that I wouldn't have advised therapy.

[Space Fox]

Originally Posted by Kwike92M3

If you want to go fast, your only option is supercharging.

1. ESS G1 Kit will put you around the 600hp mark, but torque is still low. ($10,000. +/-)
2. Do your rod bearings. Doesnt give you more HP, just keeps you from sending a piston into the atmosphere ($2,300)
3. DCT Tune ($500)
4. Corsa Exhaust ($1800)

So all in, youre $14-15k and you will likely get smoked by a new mustang GT with full bolt on. If you bought this car to be the fastest, youre going to be extremely disappointed. I have a supercharged M3, and while i know its definitely not the fastest, I think it is one of the cleanest, and most timeless looking cars on the road. The exhaust note is by far one of the greatest sounds produced by a car, and the interior and driving experienced it almost unmatched (especially for $30k price point). Im sure i will catch quite a bit of flack for this, but the DCT trans is a blast to drive as well. I love this car.

But if you want speed and speed only, trade the M3 for a z06 Corvette, and then invest in some jean shorts and some white new balances.
I dont know about you, but I take a little pride in NOT driving the same thing as everyone else in my town that can get 84 month financing for the newest v8 mustang/camaro/challenger/charger.

Lol this is gold. #threadover

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

You bought the wrong car.

Foreal. While I didnt like it, tested the Tesla Model 3 Performance. Great cheap stoplight racer. Would smoke just about everyone from a dig. Even a supercharged M3 would have no chance from a dig.

[CravingBavaria]

Originally Posted by ha9981

Pftttt childish. You got outdone by your friend. Had you not said that I wouldn't have advised therapy.

Got outdone? He spent 10k more on that car than I spent on mine. Not sure when friendly competition with a car enthusiast is childish. Can't say I've met too many children that can afford M3's and PP2's.

[ha9981]

Originally Posted by CravingBavaria

Got outdone? He spent 10k more on that car than I spent on mine. Not sure when friendly competition with a car enthusiast is childish. Can't say I've met too many children that can afford M3's and PP2's.

Your friend rekt you so bad you can't even see it. That's why you started this thread and it's why you need a therapist appointment.

I've seen kids driving more expensive cars. There is plenty of credit available for even junkies to drive nicer cars than M3s.

You are modding your car for a piss contest. Nothing wrong with that, unless you are normal.

Enjoy

[Lienrocs]

You bought the wrong car. My E92 is full bolt on and weighs 3380 with almost a full tank of gas and feels quick until I get into a car that's actually quick. I hop in my GTS and realize the E92 is so far off the pace in a straight line it isn't even funny. The E92 sounds way faster though so that's pretty cool, I guess. The only chance you have for a decent gain is forced induction. Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Lienrocs

You bought the wrong car. My E92 is full bolt on and weighs 3380 with almost a full tank of gas and feels quick until I get into a car that's actually quick. I hop in my GTS and realize the E92 is so far off the pace in a straight line it isn't even funny. The E92 sounds way faster though so that's pretty cool, I guess. The only chance you have for a decent gain is forced induction. Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

Significant traction issues in first gear with a supercharger. Need R888r tires aired down to 22psi to have a chance at hooking up on a warm dry road. Wet? Cold? Don't even bother.

[Lienrocs]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Significant traction issues in first gear with a supercharger. Need R888r tires aired down to 22psi to have a chance at hooking up on a warm dry road. Wet? Cold? Don't even bother.

I 100 percent agree. I wouldn't go the FI route but if you're looking to roll race or whatever it is kids these day like to do then it's the best bang for the buck. E92's are great jack of all trades cars that can be really track capable but they'll never make good high horsepower cars, in my opinion.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Lienrocs

I 100 percent agree. I wouldn't go the FI route but if you're looking to roll race or whatever it is kids these day like to do then it's the best bang for the buck. E92's are great jack of all trades cars that can be really track capable but they'll never make good high horsepower cars, in my opinion.

Totally agree. I personally think the e9X M3 is the best car for the money right now by far.

But it's no stop light drag car. Kudos to someone who wants to try tho. I bet with a supercharger and R888r tires aired down, it could do low 3's. Best I did was mid 3's with Pilot Super Sports at regular tire pressure (mid 30's) without launch control on my former e92 just stabbing the throttle off idle and short shifting at 6k rpm in first gear.

[Lienrocs]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Totally agree. I personally think the e9X M3 is the best car for the money right now by far.

But it's no stop light drag car. Kudos to someone who wants to try tho. I bet with a supercharger and R888r tires aired down, it could do low 3's. Best I did was mid 3's with Pilot Super Sports at regular tire pressure (mid 30's) without launch control on my former e92 just stabbing the throttle off idle and short shifting at 6k rpm in first gear.

I'm sure someone could find a way to bolt some drag radials on it and get a decent 60 foot time in an M3. But then again, why? You're taking a multi dimensional car and making it one dimensional and still not very good at what it does.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Lienrocs

I'm sure someone could find a way to bolt some drag radials on it and get a decent 60 foot time in an M3. But then again, why? You're taking a multi dimensional car and making it one dimensional and still not very good at what it does.

If I remember correctly, there was a member years ago that slapped on DRs to his ESS 650 and did a 10.65 at 130+ on the East Coast and his 0-60 was 2.9 seconds. That couldnt happen on the street tho. Without heat and VHT the DRs would spin. So R888r's are really the only street option.