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I could definitely feel my suspension is getting old and worn out after I drive the M2. I sold the e92 m3 after I realize I get tired fast with the oldie. E92 m3 is a great car and its the longest time vehicle I drove, but its getting old so it needs some love and passion.
If you buying e9x m3, make sure to change all worn out suspension bushing, change TA and rod bearing. Then its golden. If I were you, I would go f series M. |
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"The S65 has no torque low in the RPMs!" and I say, "Why would you ever be low in the RPMs?" But stock for stock, yeah the S55 is probably better for the application. I don't think the S65 is all that great without the primaries removed. Spend the $2000 to get into FBO territory and that difference is largely removed. Similar 0-60, similar gearbox, similar quarter mile, etc. For the tech argument, I think that CIC iDrive has aged pretty well. Don't get the fuss over 'single-humps'. I keep a button assigned to turn my screen off, but having maps as a reference for blind corners and navigation is nice. I think the E92 is a more difficult car to parallel park, but mine came with a backup cam retrofitted. You're losing out on the video game style 360 cams, and maybe the power gauges? I understand how this could be too involved for most people, but I think the platform is worth it. A 'tighter' feeling car doesn't always translate to faster times. Most of us aren't pros anyways. OP! get in on the discussion! |
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An interesting thing of the 'no torque' discussion is that, while cruising on the highway and passing people while changing lanes, the E9X actually feels more powerful than the F8X. The F8X has plenty of lag at low rpms and even though I have a CS I find myself downshifitng one or two gears to get better response. The E9X requires zero shifts, by the time the CS is pulling hard the E9X has finished the maneuver. So although some people think the S55 is some kind of torque monster it is not. It is a linear engine that requires revs to be happy. Less revs than the S65, but if you thought that going WOT on the highway at 2500rpm was going to shock and awe, think again. Even with a turbo engine the core BMW M ethos is still the same, I strongly appreciate how tracking a M4 GTS is not much harder than a E9X. Good job BMW! |
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Thanks for the great read guys! I've spent so much time in the for sale section, I never bothered to check my notifications so my apologies lol.
Since posting this, I've decided on an F80. Merely because I just can't get over how much nicer it looks than the E90. Most of the E90's I was looking at were 30-35k and it was a dice roll whether or not the RB were done or not. I did drive my buddies '13 E92 a few weekends ago and man, I was impressed! DCT is amazing. My Type R is being picked up in a few weeks by its new owner so the hunt gets real now!
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Were I buying today instead of 9 years ago, I would buy an F80 over an E90. Newer, better looking, faster, better handling, more modern, more convenient. But I like my E90 and it’s paid for. Plus there is nothing else I could buy for the $20k my car might be worth. I think I would have to spend $50-100k to get a different car I would like more. I have two in mind - a comfy cruiser fast car like used last model E63 AMG Wagon or 911 Turbo model 991. Both can have big power and put it down due to AWD.
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The long-term reliability of the F series M cars is the biggest concern I would have with this car, then the second largest known issue is the sound .. which is probably more important to me than the extra torque. The S65 is pretty bulletproof if one takes care of the big issues. NA is a big part of this plus the brilliant design (outside of the RBs, TAs). I can see my E90 going to 200K+ miles. Too early to tell the same about the F80, but maybe it's OK just too many horror stories I've heard about on the older F10 M5.
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I've said this a few times whenever the topic of speed comes up.
To me, the only thing the F8X has on the E9X is sheer speed. But in 2019, speed is a commodity. The Tesla is blazing fast but it's a soulless appliance. Being a passionate car enthusiast since I was a toddler, I'm not really concerned with what's better on paper when it comes to buying a car I'm more concerned with the experience and the feeling the car gives me. It's about the sound, feel, legacy (end of an era), community, etc. I genuinely feel the V8 M3 is something special and won't ever be replicated by BMW ever again and it's currently on the bottom of its depreciation curve (this is subjective but they can currently be had for the sum of their parts). This makes it easy to justify the purchase, at least in my eyes. I can enjoy it know it's not losing a ton of value. If you're a music person this analogy might make sense- to me, the f8X is like listening to a Joe Satriani album on CD. The music is technical and precise, the format is convenient. But it doesn't really elicit much emotion. It's just good, but not memorable. The e9x is like listening to Pink Floyd "Pulse" on vinyl. It's the last tour Roger Waters and David Gilmour did together, Dark Side of the Moon was played in its entirety, and the guitar solos will give you goosebumps. Despite it being live and recorded in the 90s, there's something warm and analogue about listening to one of the best live albums of all time on vinyl. So it really depends... are you looking for what's good on paper? Or are you looking for a special and more unique ownership and driving experience?
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Very nice, hold onto it! One day I will have a secret underground lair containing a collection of Japans finest 90's cars. A face lifted DC2 Integra Type-R in Championship white will be in there for sure.
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The V6 does ABSOLUTELY nothing for me. Growing up in the US and being primarily American car nuts in school, we made fun of the kids with the V6 mustang or Camaro. V6s were the "girl versions" of the car. I purchased an 82 325e and an 84 318i in highschool which ultimately made me fall in love with BMW. So that's where the initial appeal to the V8 M3 came from. I also love the e39 M5. I do also love the v10s. Honestly, I cringe when I hear the F8x M3. I genuinely feel it's one of the worst sounding cars on the road. Which I hate because it's a beautiful car. I'm obsessive about sound (I'm 36 and I still run to the window when I hear a cool car pass by, and I'm 17 stories off the ground).
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