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Going with the F8X M3 or I already have one | 83 | 13.93% | |
Staying in my E9X M3 | 513 | 86.07% | |
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06-04-2014, 12:57 PM | #89 |
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Funny but I thought ///M stands for Motorsports, i.e. track performance. And what was the #1 enemy of performance? Why, it's weight! |
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06-04-2014, 01:18 PM | #91 |
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Staying. My E92 is not a lease and it's definitely a keeper. Cars will come and go, but the E92 has a special in my heart.
I'd be interested in adding an YMB F80 way down the road.
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06-04-2014, 01:43 PM | #92 |
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I never liked the 1series either but I gotta say that I liked the 1M when it first came out, but now when I look at one, I only see nice parts bolted to an ugly shaped car! The 2 series on the other hand looks really good which make me think that the new M2 will be an handsome car, hopefully it will get proper sport seats as opposed to the 1M!
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06-04-2014, 02:02 PM | #93 | |
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Its much more expensive to make this type of engine. Which is why i understand you. the Z06 is hell of a car! light weight with a big V8. All in all. The ls7 is actually one of my favorite motors of all time. I use to drive a LS3 camaro with a built engine making 540HP N/A. I know more about LS motors than i do about the S65. Going to a slower S65 M3. The engine hits me as something more special. for some people you stop chasing the best performance money can buy. And you go for things that are different or making you feel a certain way. If i could i would own a Z06 Ls7 and E92 m3. |
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06-04-2014, 02:18 PM | #94 |
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The way I look at it is...life is too short to stick with just one vehicle. That being said I've been looking at european delivery on the M4 next summer. I'll have close to 160,000 miles by next year and if my oil analysis on the S65 starts going bad I'll have to consider the C7 corvette or a slightly used 991 S.
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As for what the ///M stands for, don't really care, all I know is that I would'nt trade my 8300RPM supercharged V8 for a souped up 335 engine! And by the way, it's funny Ezio said that because lazy is exactly the word I had in mind to describe what I thought of the engine in the Z06 of my friend! The numbers on paper are impressive but I was'nt impress at all when I was in the car(at least at lower RPMs)! |
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06-04-2014, 03:02 PM | #97 |
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This, except I'll be adding instead of replacing my e90.
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This means I'll be doing another analysis within 1000 miles. |
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06-04-2014, 05:05 PM | #99 | |
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06-04-2014, 05:11 PM | #101 |
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Not a chance of switching for me. If I get bored with my ZCP E90 M3, then I will get a blower. I already had a 335i with the N54; I'm not going back to deal with turbo problems. The only thing I would take, however, are the new seats and navigation. The new navigation screens for the F model 3 series have a much more robust display and are much quicker than that of the E9X.
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06-04-2014, 05:21 PM | #102 |
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If the F8x substantially reduced the weight with more liberal use of aluminum (see this Ford Fusion lightweight concept for what could be accomplished
http://driving.ca/ford/fusion/auto-n...fusion-concept ), and kept a V8 in there, with DI, cylinder deactivation and whatever other fuel saving features, they would have my money. Since I knew that wasn't coming, I got into an E92 last year and will be keeping it for at least 4 more years. |
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Just go buy something in your financial league like a subaru WRX. European cars require diligent upkeep and are expensive to fix. What did you expect with a used 2008 ? if you can't pay you can't play. You should definitively buy a pushrod vette, used. Learn your lesson and move on, BMW isn't for you you've bashed that for months (and clearly porsche even less). Quote:
Sure if you put a professional pilot who trained on this non ideal car long enough he will be able to dangerously push it but by no mean is it a worthy car for the mainstream of people who track cars. The M3 is a far better choice for experienced people and those developing racing skills (and for tracking enjoyment). The Zo6 torque already starts dropping at 4300 RPM and is down by 25% by the time it reaches its very low 6,600 rpm redline. Sure it has more power but like all pushrod engines the lack of a flat torque curve makes them quirky and ill suited to drive fast except straight. The M3 is X10 superior to a Zo6 when it comes to usability of its power even if that power is less. It's a driver's track car. The zo6 is not. |
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on a side note, i agree this car holds up so well. |
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06-04-2014, 07:59 PM | #106 |
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In all honesty, until I can test drive the new M3/4, I will reserve judgement.
That being said, I already have a blistering fast turbo vehicle. I will tell you that sheer speed capability is far from everything in terms of driving enjoyment. Obviously, speed capability is a factor, but in an absolute sense, the current M3 is plenty fast. It is the subjective feel, linearity, and sound of the engine that deliver an intoxicating driving experience. All turbo cars will have lag, and if you are in that zone of the power band where you are either on or off boost, the car oscillates between bogging and lunging. You can obviously learn to drive around this, but it just isn't the feel of an engine like the S65. So while the new car will be objectively faster, the really question is will it excite all the senses in the same way? In any case, I never buy a car the first year out and if I do move to the f8x platform, it won't be until mid-cycle like I did with my e92.
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And to add the final nail in the coffin of your ridiculous argument, a quick search of this forum reveals that even a new or semi-new M3 is not guaranteed to be immune from a bearing or actuator failure Quote:
There are cars that cost more that have less repair costs. Parts are overpriced more because it's a BMW than due to its $70k price. |
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06-04-2014, 09:58 PM | #110 |
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Still no tunes for the S63tu...
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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