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I need to buy BE Bearings + Special ARP Bolts.
Any e-mail? At the website is full price at $865.00 + shipping + taxes Vac is High Performance Rod Bearing Kit that includes VAC Coated Rod Bearings and ARP Rod Bolts, S65 = $799.95 Last edited by Titan_br; 07-05-2016 at 08:30 AM.. |
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Since technically the bearings should never touch the crank, you can run it like you stole it once you drain the assembly lube contaminated oil out.
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Question - is this batch of BE bearings some are waiting on different from the first batch that were around in beginning of the year?
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The BE Bearings warranty has always been advertised as the same warranty offered by Clevite, the manufacturer. That warranty covers the bearings themselves, and not any damage. But a situation arose recently that motivated BE Bearings to reevaluate that warranty and see if it made sense to go above and beyond what they had publicly stated. The BE partners decided, should an actual failure be attributed to the BE Bearings themselves, that BE would be willing to rebuild the engine at their Los Angeles distributor's shop, plus the replacement costs of all bearings (rods and mains) of any brand chosen by the car's owner. But proving an engine failure is caused by the bearing and nothing else isn't an easy job and requires a lot of work, and as Richbot says, direct access to the engine itself. Here's why BE Bearings got motivated to reevaluate their warranty. This story should dispel any assumptions that car owners are all coming to the forums in good faith with intimate knowledge about the problems with their own car. BE recently received an email that claimed the owner's engine suffered a catastrophic loss, and was diagnosed by his shop as rod bearing failure due to BE Bearings. The owner promised his silence in exchange for a free engine. BE Bearings took the following and actions immediately:
So here's how it played out. Bert took a day off work and drove 400 miles to the shop with the engine. The shop owner gave more details that the car owner hadn't previously mentioned.
Bert and the shop owner worked together to partially disassemble a few of the connecting rods and further inspect the damage. Since the crankshaft was seized on the main bearing, it was impossible to rotate the engine to obtain access to all connecting rod journals. Rods #1, #7, and #8 were disassembled. Photos were taken, and an oil sample was provided. The #1 rod was blue, but still intact and held by the BE-ARP rod bolts; the rod bearing was missing. #7 rod bearings had some particle streaks showing contamination in the oil supply itself. #8 rod bearing was virtually clean. Very clear that the farther away from #1 main bearing you went, fewer particles were in the oil stream to damage the connecting rod bearings. The photos and damage descriptions were sent to both engine experts and the oil sample was sent to Blackstone. Both engine experts were unanimous in their findings that the #1 main had seized (this is why the crank wouldn't rotate), and the metallic particles from the damaged #1 main bearing caused the #1 rod bearing to disintegrate. Both engine builders offered the same explanation that this is a classic main bearing failure when the next two connecting rod bearings are destroyed because of it. The root caused showed the main bearing had failed, not the BE Bearings. BE notified the owner of their findings, and that was the end of the discussion. So what's the moral to the story here? There's a few:
Believe me when I say this: this isn't even 1/2 the story. I tried to make it as short as possible to get the main points across. The point Richbot makes is that warranty is sometimes situational. Since engine wear and driving habits affect the wear of the bearings sold by BE, it's unavoidable that the warranty offer in this case, or in future cases could be situation, and not the same as the situation above (e.g. owner can't ship an engine to California for repair, etc.). |
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I think a lot of people won't be covered by that warranty since they don't get clearances checked and documented before installing the new bearings.
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Also, if clearances it is a factor considered in failure analysis then maybe is shouldn't be ignored and maybe one size does not fit all... Just thinking aloud ... |
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"4. Provide proof that crankshaft journals and clearances were measured before bearing installation, either by bore gauges or Plastigage. Without these measurements and/or proof they occurred (detailed labor receipt, etc.), there can be no further discussion about warranty repair."
Does this mean we should get measurements and provide them on purchase for a best effort fit or is it not necessary. If not necessary I would guess the measurements are needed in failure analysis because you simply want as much data as possible? |
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I would never warranty them like they're doing. |
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07-13-2016, 11:13 AM | #106 |
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Does this mean our main bearings are also an issue? I thought we were ok with those!
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Also perhaps you should consider offering or selling plastiguage kits with the BE bearings and BE rods. |
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