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      03-09-2018, 02:36 PM   #45
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After a few test drives of the R8 decided to go the V10 route. I was giddy just walking up to it.

Drove a 14 V8. Sounds fantastic but not "exotic". Even though there are some exhausts where it can sound very very good. Plenty of power for my needs.

V10 has the exotic sound, similar to my previous S85's. Tons of power. Plus you get carbon engine bay, upgraded stereo, etc etc w the V10.

It will take me some time to find the right V10. But I'm planning to be patient and hopefully keep this one for a while.

So upped the budget a bit.

The R8 can be driven very frequently, which is what I plan to do. Unlike an F car. Plus R8's with high mileage seem to be out there, a testament that the car can be driven.

So will go the super car / exotic plus decent DD.
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Although... when I watch this video the R8 V* does sound wicked. Damn... maybe the V8 would be ok after all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JJ91pO0EuW4
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I see no point going for V8 version of R8 when E92 is clearly better

I suggest Lotus Exige+ E92 M3. Best combination.
This. E92 with something small, light, and a bit raw. Exige, older 911, Z4M etc.
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Having had two Lotus’s, current track prepared Boxster, current track prepared 600whp Evo, and my current track prepared 510whp M3, none of it compares in the slightest to a supercar. I keep the M3 for the practical fun (taking a McLaren to some business meetings isn’t appropriate), but for sheer driving pleasure, mid-engined R8’s, McLarens, Ferrari’s, Lamborghini’s, etc, are far superior to all of them and in a completely different driving class. I almost regret spending 10’s of thousands modifying M3, Evo, etc, since it just is no comparison.

Damage Inc - congrats on the decision. I tested an R8 but wanted something a bit more track focused in the end, though it was fantastic. Also they didn’t do a Spider in the V10 Plus, and I was set on a Spider! I would suggest keeping something like an M3 Sedan as a practical car if you can - anything less and it gets depressing going from the R8 to whatever it is!

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Having had two Lotus’s, current track prepared Boxster, current track prepared 600whp Evo, and my current track prepared 510whp M3, none of it compares in the slightest to a supercar. I keep the M3 for the practical fun (taking a McLaren to some business meetings isn’t appropriate), but for sheer driving pleasure, mid-engined R8’s, McLarens, Ferrari’s, Lamborghini’s, etc, are far superior to all of them and in a completely different driving class. I almost regret spending 10’s of thousands modifying M3, Evo, etc, since it just is no comparison.

Damage Inc - congrats on the decision. I tested an R8 but wanted something a bit more track focused in the end, though it was fantastic. Also they didn’t do a Spider in the V10 Plus, and I was set on a Spider! I would suggest keeping something like an M3 Sedan as a practical car if you can - anything less and it gets depressing going from the R8 to whatever it is!

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I won't argue that supercars are the best, but R8 V8 is hardly a supercar (420 BHP that weighs a mega 1.6 ton!) IMHO compared to something like 570S or F458. Plus, I don't know if you have ever exploited limits of those Lotus', but lightweight cars are seriously quick around a track when driven properly (faster than many supercars in fact.)

Now R8 V10... that's a different beast.
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After a few test drives of the R8 decided to go the V10 route. I was giddy just walking up to it.

Drove a 14 V8. Sounds fantastic but not "exotic". Even though there are some exhausts where it can sound very very good. Plenty of power for my needs.

V10 has the exotic sound, similar to my previous S85's. Tons of power. Plus you get carbon engine bay, upgraded stereo, etc etc w the V10.

It will take me some time to find the right V10. But I'm planning to be patient and hopefully keep this one for a while.

So upped the budget a bit.

The R8 can be driven very frequently, which is what I plan to do. Unlike an F car. Plus R8's with high mileage seem to be out there, a testament that the car can be driven.

So will go the super car / exotic plus decent DD.
You'll eventually yearn for LFA or Carrera GT in the search of ultimate V10... and I can't blame you for it
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I won't argue that supercars are the best, but R8 V8 is hardly a supercar (420 BHP that weighs a mega 1.6 ton!) IMHO compared to something like 570S or F458. Plus, I don't know if you have ever exploited limits of those Lotus', but lightweight cars are seriously quick around a track when driven properly (faster than many supercars in fact.)

Now R8 V10... that's a different beast.
I used to track my Lotus’s all the time in the corners they were devastating, but out of corners and on the straights would kill my lap times (standard Elise seems to be limited to 1:43 maybe at Laguna - Exige on slicks can do a 1:38.. 570s does a 1:36 on factory tires, while lifting for the sound booth!). The Lotus aluminum tub was reminiscent of the McLaren carbon tub, and very stiff.. however, for the complete package, the supercars have it all. I’ve done 50-60 laps of Laguna in my friends 570s (before my 570s Spider arrived) and it’s an entirely different animal. I can’t imagine wanting to take anything else to the track now, and of course on street it always feels special driving it.

As for the R8 V8, yes, I would agree - I never even looked at the V8, and when I made my comment was thinking about the V10 (essentially the equivalent to the Hurucan, which was also fun, though I felt not as track capable as the McLaren in Spider form, being only half-carbon).

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I think the OP is just looking for a weekend drive car, not a track car. You need a bigger budget and have to be willing to take risks to track an expensive car. At a BMW driving event last fall, I met a hedge fund manager who spends about $2000 a weekend on tires for his 991 GT3 track car.

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I think the OP is just looking for a weekend drive car, not a track car. You need a bigger budget and have to be willing to take risks to track an expensive car. At a VMW driving event last fall, I met a hedge fund manager who spends about $2000 a weekend on tires for his 991 GT3 track car.
$2000! Wtfff that's like my yearly maintenance budget on my M3. Haha!
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Here is a Golf R that I would drive:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...C3DA752D11CF5C

APR tuned to over 400 rwhp. $17k in parts. For now I will keep driving my 08 M3 while I save for the 991TT, but if I wanted a 4 cylinder hot hatch, this one looks interesting. And the AWD is good for winter with snows.
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Drove some R8's over the previous weeks. 11 V10 auto, 14 V8 auto, 14 V8 manual, 15 V10 auto, 11 V10 manual, 14 V10 auto.

Of all the cars I preferred the V8 manual. I will get bored of the auto too quick. The manual is very engaging, and it just felt well matched to the V8. Plus sounds fantastic. Gated shifter is awesome. V10 has a ton of power, but its almost too fast ha ha. Plus I kinda prefer a newer V8 over an older V10 for my budget. I enjoyed rowing the gears and winding out the V8, heel / toe. Had a couple S85's and loved them w SMG but for some reason the manual V8 is speaking to me

Plus the R8 is not as engaging of a car as say a 911 GTS/GT3. Not as much feedback. So the manual and exhaust are a big must to spice it up, balance it out.

This is a weekend / couple days a week car for back road drives and events. No track days.

Also settled on a 14 or 15 for the updates. And manual only. Which makes my hunt harder.

A black 14 R8 manual is pretty darn exciting. As much as I love the E92 M3, the R8 is just a whole different level of driving experience. Plus I've had M cars the past 12 years....

Settled on a GTI for a DD. If I come across a perfect condition 3 series would go that route too. Drove the GTI its fine for what it is.
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I hear ya on power. However I'm DD the M2 right now and I enjoy it more than the more powerful M3. The reason is when you're driving a manual, its enjoyable to wind out the gears on public roads. The M2 manual is just that. While the R8 V8 is quite a bit faster, its a similar sensation.

I dont care about 0-60 times, no tracking, and dont care about bragging rights. More about driving experience than anything else.

This car is quite a package. Hard to imagine it leaving me more for my needs. They're stunning in person, in the right combo
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I don't really like any of the options. M2 + e92 M3: They both seem like cars I wouldn't want to DD given what you wrote about the 991. R8+Golf: I'm sure I'd change my mind if I had one in my driveway, but the V8 version just doesn't seem that compelling vs the V10 or lambo your neighbor has. And then there's the golf. I like Golfs and VWs in general, but I couldn't have an excellent sports car and then drive an underpowered Golf. Sorry, it would have to be a GTI---those cars are fantastic DDs. I loved my mkV GTI.

As I get older I think my two car garage would have something special and something rugged. So perhaps even the R8--or 911, AMV8, Cayman GT4, M4 GTS, maybe a couple of others. Then I'd buy something like a 4Runner TRD Pro, Raptor, Colorado ZR2, Grand Cherokee Trailhawk etc for a daily.
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Well, took me a few months but I finally closed the loop on my car decisions... update to the thread

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I test drove a golf, that aint happening... lol. Had a Caddy XTS rental for a month which was nice complement to the R8. Bumped my budget to $25k for DD then said that's too much money screw it... found a 14 320i M Sport 25k miles for $16k. Pulled the trigger, perfect for a low cost DD. Its cheap, low depreciation, mint condition, and still has some "fun factor" with the M Sport. "Jack of all trades" car. I've always liked German build quality and the 3 series driving balance.

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I drove a bunch of R8's in all config's. After owning 2 S85 V10's w various exhausts, the Audi V10 just wasnt as exciting to me sound wise however a ton of power. I drove a couple V8's and it just "spoke to me". The sound is far better than the V10, better balanced car, and saved some $$$. I also wanted a 14 or newer since it has a bunch of design updates. Yes, its down on power but it has PLENTY of power for back road driving and club drives I go on. I dont seem to have any issues with 420 hp I added a Kline race exhaust and its absolutely incredible. As the rev's build towards 8k RPM the sound gets so high pitched its ear piercing, epic. That epic, orgasmic build to 8k rpm is what I loved about the S65/S85 that is lacking in the current M cars. The R8 V8 has it. The downshifts scare other cars, I need to be careful honestly it sounds like a shotgun firing lol

The ownership experience is exactly what I wanted. I got a full paint correction, Kline exhaust, new carbon steering wheel, PS4's, and other goodies. I can keep the car prestine in the garage, then take it out when I'm in the mood. Its an event. Plus the car still looks stunning. I was always peeking over at 430 prices, but after adding the Kline, I'm content with the R8. It sounds as good or better than my bud's 430 capristo. I added a 6 year Platinum warranty for $2900 LOL. I would spend that annual in fixing my 430 (or more).

The driving experience is outstanding. I cannot get close to the limits on public roads. Driving a mid engine sports car w AWD is glued to the road. The mag ride is outstanding, makes my m sport suspension feel outdated and lumpy. Its not as precise as the 911 GTS or 430, there's a layer of "insulation" from a track car. But its excellent for my need of club drives, back road blasts, and epic 8k blasts.

If my budget were higher, I would have kept the M2 manual as a DD. Its the best drivers BMW I've been in a while. My 320i sport is not a sports sedan. My 01 330i manual THAT is a sport sedan. As well as the 03 ZHP manual. Small, tight, asking to go on a back road drive. The 320i m sport is big, sloppy, and meant to be taken on errands not sport driving. I thought about picking up a ZHP for my DD but the price for a nice one is around $20k. Since this car needs to sit outside 24x7 it just didnt seem like the right time.

Anyways, I always like reading about others experiences. Thought I would share mine. YMMV.

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Damage Inc - congrats on the decision. I tested an R8 but wanted something a bit more track focused in the end, though it was fantastic. Also they didn’t do a Spider in the V10 Plus, and I was set on a Spider! I would suggest keeping something like an M3 Sedan as a practical car if you can - anything less and it gets depressing going from the R8 to whatever it is!

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OR, it makes going from a boring DD to the R8 more "special" agree the R8 is not a track car. I dont know I would enjoy it on the track after a few laps, its not precise enough.

The nice thing about the R8 is you CAN drive it every day if you want. So I do drive it 5 to 6 days a week. The ride is very compliant (think A8 on the highway), its better than my wife's 18 Q7 w mag ride. As super comfortable inside. Its not punishing at all. My 911 C4S w Sport PASM was borderline uncomfortable. It was designed for track use.

Anyways. I take road trips for work, that's what pays for the DD. So no way I would take the M3 on 600 mile road trips. Plus my set budget for a DD was around $15k to $20k. I would end up with a 100k mile 08 M3 at that price. I dont want to spend a dime on my DD. Rather sink money into making the R8 nicer
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I won't argue that supercars are the best, but R8 V8 is hardly a supercar (420 BHP that weighs a mega 1.6 ton!) IMHO compared to something like 570S or F458. Plus, I don't know if you have ever exploited limits of those Lotus', but lightweight cars are seriously quick around a track when driven properly (faster than many supercars in fact.)

Now R8 V10... that's a different beast.
Driving a mid engine R8 that was designed to drive as a super car is a very different driving experience / dynamics than a 3 series coupe with modifications. The R8 is better balanced, lower, wider, and has higher limits than the M3. The driving experience is not apples to apples. So its not only about how much HP. The M3 is front engine, higher, etc

Obviously if its only a HP or 0-60 metric I'm after there are way faster cars than both the E92 M3 or R8 at half the price (modified Mustang GT).

The R8 also is much more exclusive than a 3 series. For the previous 2008 to 2012 era the R8 was in the super car class. The current class of cars have moved on but we're talking about $80k cars not $175k cars.
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The 2011 R8 v10 was pretty weak from what I've experienced. Prob equivalent to a FBO e92 in terms of acceleration. The new ones are really fast tho. The Audi is almost on par with its big brother Huracan.
The v10 r8 is way faster than an fbo e9x. They trap well into the 120s.

A v8 is another story
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The 2011 R8 v10 was pretty weak from what I've experienced. Prob equivalent to a FBO e92 in terms of acceleration. The new ones are really fast tho. The Audi is almost on par with its big brother Huracan.
The v10 r8 is way faster than an fbo e9x. They trap well into the 120s.

A v8 is another story
The first gen was really slow trapping around 140 in the half mile - similar to a e92 M3. I saw it happen many times.
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The first gen was really slow trapping around 140 in the half mile - similar to a e92 M3. I saw it happen many times.
im pretty sure you are confusing it with the v8, which was slow prior to the refresh.

gen 1 v10 traps 121 in 11.6 seconds in the quarter mile stock per motortrend, among others. dct m3 is closer to 110-112.

ive driven both this and many bolt on m3's, manual and dct. the V10 r8 blows it out of the water in terms of power. it has 520 hp and weighs about the same.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/audi...-quattro-test/
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The first gen was really slow trapping around 140 in the half mile - similar to a e92 M3. I saw it happen many times.
im pretty sure you are confusing it with the v8, which was slow prior to the refresh.

gen 1 v10 traps 121 in 11.6 seconds in the quarter mile stock per motortrend, among others. dct m3 is closer to 110-112.

ive driven both this and many bolt on m3's, manual and dct. the V10 r8 blows it out of the water in terms of power. it has 520 hp and weighs about the same.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/audi...-quattro-test/
No it was a V10 owned by Tony Lopez founder of Omega Motorsports Events that puts on half mile airstrip events in California, Arizona and Indiana. Saw this particular car run 50-100 times over the years.
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