Unpopular Opinions Thread (Moderator: No Politics)

[EJT86]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

You are overthinking this. Positive reviews like yours and Boof's are popular and he wasn't asking for that. He was asking for elaboration on Steve's negative opinion: why some of us consider NA power mods worthless. If you want to be pedantic, let's call it "low-worth" instead of "worthless" since nobody is arguing against the fact that there are marginal gains to be had from NA bolt ons. I'm not saying "no don't do it just because." Myself and other are saying don't do it because it's not enough to be worthwhile given the cost and results. That is the opinion he was asking about.

Really no need to continue beating the dead horse here. Let's share other unpopular opinions and move on.

I’m not trying to drag this on either but i didn’t give a “positive” review I shared my experience with it. I didn’t advise one over another, I shared my experience and what to expect if someone is to do it. “Value” wasn’t part of it and I didn’t mention that word, my next post was to point out the cost of adding power and if someone doesn’t have the cash to go “all in” then the only option is tune and bolt ons. Mainly I wanted to point out a pulley and tune will feel like something as opposed to those thinking any intake work will have you feeling anything. My response was simply “will I feel any added power with pulleys and tune?” Yes. No comparisons or competition with other options or gauging it’s value or anything else

[DSilk]

The reason that it is so much more expensive to wring more power out of the M3 than a VW Beetle is very simple. The Beetle is undertuned (the old aircooled Beetles made 38 to 48 bhp out of 1.3 to 1.6 liters, while Porsche used pretty much the same engine in the 356 making twice that, while the "new" Beetle makes 170 bhp out of the same engine that powers the 400 bhp Audi TTS RS). By contrast our cars make over 100 bhp per liter out of the box without forced induction. That is a serious amount of specific output and is the result of some pretty serious tuning work out of the factory.

I have no gripe with supercharging, but I do have concerns about the impact of such dramatic power increases on already stressed bearings...

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by SLC Steve

This is and your subsequent posts are exactly the sentiment behind it. The only additional thing I would add is that for what appears minimal gains it also would decrease the value of the car to a potential buyer. I wanted no part of a tuned/modified car when I was looking for mine. Plus these tunes that "unlock" the redline to 8600 RPM? I want no part of that.

Here I thought I had found an ally but then you go and say this.

On the contrary for me. I had every intention of tuning and an Xpipe. In my mind I saved $2,500 by finding that setup already installed on the car. I have zero stress when it comes to worrying about bearings and or what damage I am going to a/my vehicle by modding it. And certainly not worrying about the next buyer five or ten years from now as far as will they want to buy my car. Still excellent points though Steve even if I am on the other side of that coin.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by DSilk

I have no gripe with supercharging, but I do have concerns about the impact of such dramatic power increases on already stressed bearings...

Your concerns are reasonable, but can me mitigated with preventative rod bearing replacement (same as NA) and the fact that over the last 10 years we have not seen any significant correlation between supercharging and engine failures. As much as it would make sense that adding more stress to this engine would result in a higher failure rate, from what I've seen that is simply not the case short of the VERY rare occurrences of main bearing failure. If your bearings are going to go boom, they're going to do it regardless of the dramatic power increase.

I would expand on your concern and say we don't yet have enough experience and time with positive displacement SC kits to confidently say the added low-end stress/torque (which the engine is not designed for) has no real-world effect on long-term failure rates. Centrifugal kits are tried and true and actually add a negligible amount of stress to street cars that spend most of their life below 5k RPM.

[itsnotq]

Originally Posted by rdoctor

This or anything like it.

That first one was my wallpaper a couple years back

[2pntrsrv]

I would gladly take a drop top over a slick top any day of the week.

[timothy2001]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

All white, grey, silver and black M3s are boring and might as well be a 320i.

You're dead to me now.



Black is beautiful.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by timothy2001

You're dead to me now.



Black is beautiful.

I was trying to offend the highest amount of people while at the same time offering up a truly unpopular opinion.
*They are still M3s, I just find them less interesting.

[timothy2001]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

I was trying to offend the highest amount of people while at the same time offering up a truly unpopular opinion.
*They are still M3s, I just find them less interesting.

And you did well sir! No offense taken.

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by timothy2001

And you did well sir! No offense taken.

Well then you had better tell him he is alive to you again.

[EJT86]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

Well then you had better tell him he is alive to you again.

Born again?

[Theodore]

The E9X M3 throttle actuators fail due to a lack of cleaning the throttle bodies, not due to a design flaw in the throttle actuators.

[timothy2001]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

Well then you had better tell him he is alive to you again.

Done!

[BimmFiniti]

AW. Get a color, will ya!

[BimmFiniti]

Having to rev the sh$#@t out of a car to get decent power and response is NOT fun. I want some torque, damn it!

[BimmFiniti]

The E9x will not be a classic one day. Sorry. Ain't gonna happen.

[BimmFiniti]

It really bugs me when newcomers get flamed for asking a question that you MIGHT be able to find in the deep bowels of forum history, know how to search really well and know a few E9X / forum buzzwords.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Theodore

Carbon deposits slowly build up on or around the throttle body (TB) butterfly valves and begin to require more and more NM (or ft. lbs) of force from the throttle actuators to open the TB valves over time. Eventually this excessive strain causes the throttle actuators' internal plastic gears to wear excessively and the MOSFETS inside to burn out leading to the throttle actuators' inevitable failure.

What is unpopular about that? Isn't that the running theory around here?

[Honda]

Originally Posted by BimmFiniti

It really bugs me when newcomers get flamed for asking a question that you MIGHT be able to find in the deep bowels of forum history, know how to search really well and know a few E9X / forum buzzwords.

I don't think this is unpopular opinion. I am pretty sure everyone agrees with you on this except newcomers who don't want to put effort in searching

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Honda

I don't think this is unpopular opinion. I am pretty sure everyone agrees with you on this except newcomers who don't want to put effort in searching

I think he was siding with those newcomers who don't want to put any effort into searching, hence the unpopularity of his view.

[SLC Steve]

Originally Posted by BimmFiniti

The E9x will not be a classic one day. Sorry. Ain't gonna happen.

I have read through this thread going "yeah I could see that. Okay that is an alright opinion to hold" and this comes and slaps me right in the face.

Granted I am not of the camp who thinks these things are going to be a classic in the next five years. I am thinking 15-20 years from now these will be extremely cool cars to have.

[EJT86]

Originally Posted by Theodore

EDITED TO MAKE THE OPINION MORE UNPOPULAR: The E9X M3 throttle actuators fail due to a lack of cleaning the throttle bodies, not due to a design flaw in the throttle actuators.

What makes this an “opinion”? It’s only an “opinion” if you believe this