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      07-13-2018, 05:58 AM   #89
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I would probably say no one wanna buy f30 when g20 is only few months ahead. And people who wanna gonna buy a used one.
I would say most people (normal people) have no idea the F30 is getting replaced.
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I would say most people (normal people) have no idea the F30 is getting replaced.
It takes 10 secs of google “3 series” to realise that. Most people are not careless enough to not even try to research the car they were gonna buy. Its not like buying toilet paper.
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It takes 10 secs of google “3 series” to realise that. Most people are not careless enough to not even try to research the car they were gonna buy. Its not like buying toilet paper.
I don't think you've see a "normal" person buy a car. It's painful... and the reason cars have gotten so stupid.
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I don't think you've see a "normal" person buy a car. It's painful... and the reason cars have gotten so stupid.
This.
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I would say most people (normal people) have no idea the F30 is getting replaced.
It takes 10 secs of google "3 series" to realise that. Most people are not careless enough to not even try to research the car they were gonna buy. Its not like buying toilet paper.
Ask any random Joe in your office when their current car is getting a new model. No one will know.
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Ask any random Joe in your office when their current car is getting a new model. No one will know.
People dont aware of their current car gets new model is a totally different scenario of people dont aware of one of candidate models of car they are selecting from and gonna buy is getting a new model.
If im not gonna watch a movie, i would not even aware of what movies are avaliable in the thetre. But if im gonna watch one, i would not just walk into a cinema and buy a random ticket.

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So what is coming in near future as competition to Tesla.

Jaguar i-Pace (release late 2018)
Mercedes EQC (release 2019)
Mercedes EQA (release 2020)
Porsche Mission E (release 2019)
Audi e-tron Quattro (release 2019)
BMW iX3 (release 2020)

Anything else coming soon in “luxury” segment? Mercedes has said their entire lineup will have either hybrid or all electric option by 2022. Audi will have 10 all electric cars by 2025. BMW says it expects up to 25 percent of its sales to be plug-in electric vehicles by 2025.
For God's sake, the Tesla Model 3 is not a luxury sedan. It's an expensive economy EV that's not a mini SUV. The cost-cutting is highly apparent in the design and manufacturing of it. All those vehicles you list come from manufacturers with reputations to uphold.
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      07-13-2018, 12:11 PM   #96
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If im not gonna watch a movie, i would not even aware of what movies are avaliable in the thetre. But if im gonna watch one, i would not just walk into a cinema and buy a random ticket.
If you're on a car forum, you're not a "normal" person in your car buying process.
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If you're on a car forum, you're not a "normal" person in your car buying process.
Im not on any real estate forum, but I do tons of research when im buying one.
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Im not on any real estate forum, but I do tons of research when im buying one.
Buying one real estate?

Just go hang out a dealership and watch people. For a pretty large purchase, most people treat it like buying a pair of pants.
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Buying one real estate?

Just go hang out a dealership and watch people. For a pretty large purchase, most people treat it like buying a pair of pants.
Oh, i think i got your point.
I thought what you said im on car forum infer i am a “car guy” vs normal as non car guy.
But then i realised you were talking about a broader sense. Im on a car forum infer i am the type of people caring about “things” as much as I would find a online discussion place about it versus people who dont care about whatever things they purchase.
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Tesla's Model 3 Teardown Shows It Is Already Profitable - Really Profitable
Here's why this auto manufacturing expert says he's 'eating crow'.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/...HOO&yptr=yahoo
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Me too, but I'll just leave this here:

https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-tire...o-f-1827528482
Yes, Tesla HQ is very close to me. I have a few friends who work at Tesla. Unlike the Model S, the Model 3 has been extensively track tested and tuned. They had professional race drivers test and give input on the car on track. They really aimed at improving handling performance over the previous models.

They had to dial the suspension back a bit as it was giving the car a very stiff ride and dial in more understeer so it wouldn't scare the normal people who would buy it. But a few tweaks can really bring out the performance of the car. I wouldn't say it's a track car, but you'll have an entertaining street car.
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Tesla's Model 3 Teardown Shows It Is Already Profitable - Really Profitable
Here's why this auto manufacturing expert says he's 'eating crow'.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/...HOO&yptr=yahoo
So the tech in the $129 Bolt mirror is in the Tesla's big screen, and the Tesla only after 2 -3 months of high-rate production is already VERY profitable... Ok..

LOL.
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Just saw this Model 3 news this morning. Supposedly a quarter of Model 3 orders have been canceled.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/19/tec...ade/index.html
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Just saw this Model 3 news this morning. Supposedly a quarter of Model 3 orders have been canceled.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/19/tec...ade/index.html
Do you think that's high or low?
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Do you think that's high or low?

Honestly, I'm not sure. I just suspect that the orders being canceled are those for the $35,000 base model, because its production has been put on hold while the higher spec models are being produced first. With the $7,500 dollar credit expiring at the end of the year, some people are probably thinking it will be unlikely to get the base model with the credit applied.
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When one buys a car, one buys the entire process of how a car is made.

From about 1 year ago:

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla...model-3-2017-5

"Surprise number two is that Tesla intends to bypass the manufacturing prototype stage and go straight to full production, rolling cars off the assembly line and into customers' driveways."

Not ready to buy it just yet.
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Tesla's Model 3 Teardown Shows It Is Already Profitable - Really Profitable
Here's why this auto manufacturing expert says he's 'eating crow'.

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/...HOO&yptr=yahoo
So the tech in the $129 Bolt mirror is in the Tesla's big screen, and the Tesla only after 2 -3 months of high-rate production is already VERY profitable... Ok..

LOL.
Your simplification of the mirror example tells us you didn't really understand it.
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Your simplification of the mirror example tells us you didn't really understand it.
I have a degree in manufacturing engineering. I understood it completely.
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Your simplification of the mirror example tells us you didn't really understand it.
I have a degree in manufacturing engineering. I understood it completely.
Then you are purposefully being obtuse because of your bias.
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Then you are purposefully being obtuse because of your bias.
What am I being obtuse about? This is the mirror quote from the article:

"Tesla is achieving those margins through deep levels of systems integration. By relying on in-house technology to do more work, Tesla is able to keep the costs of its third-party components low. For example, Munro estimates the cost of Tesla's rear-view mirror at $29.48. Meanwhile, his firm estimates that the rearview mirror from the Chevy Bolt costs $164.83.

The difference comes from the fact that the Bolt puts electronics and a backup camera display in the mirror, while Tesla uses its custom-designed onboard computer and large central display to perform the same functions. There's a similar story throughout the car."

So it is inferred that because the functionality of the backup view function is in the Bolt's mirror vs. in the laptop display in the Tesla there is a savings of $135.35 between the mirror in the Model 3 vs. the Bolt. However, the cars both have the same rear view functionality (it's Federally mandated BTW). So the article never discusses the cost of implementing the tech regardless of where the actual view is being displayed. Further GM developed the screen-in-mirror over 10 years ago (my 2009 Hummer has it) so the estimate for the Bolt mirror is probably misstated in the first place. The mirror glass/electronics technology and manufacturing costs in the Bolt mirror is probably spread over hundreds of thousands of GM mirrors in it's portfolio of word-wide vehicles. The article then assumes there is similar cost savings throughout the Tesla's manufacture. I do not agree with this assessment. The article offers no other evidence that Tesla is smarter than GM on manufacturing an automobile, which I highly doubt. GM NEVER blames it's assembly line production cell suppliers for production delays, while Musk clearly put blame of the Model 3's production (capacity) delays on his production line cell suppliers.

Both cars have a backup camera, video processor, and display. Yes the Model 3 display for the rearview camera is in the central (only) display in the Tesla. Does the author of the article expand on how much it costs Tesla to manufacture (a supplier most likely) the central display? I'm sure there is a shit-load of R&D engineering and expensive manufacturing cost built into the Tesla Model 3's capacitance-touch display since it needs to be extremely robust to survive years upon years of environmental torture from heat/cold cycling and vibration. Also, I'd hate to see what that giant display does to the driver in a right-hand offset front accident.
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