E92 6MT buyer's remorse!

[captainaudio]

Practice with the MT. It will become second nature a lot sooner than you think.

CA

[SeanR]

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Persia

I can just tell you one thing. If you forget about being lazy for 2 months and try so hard to learn how properly drive your 6MT M3, you will fall in love with it. It is like chasing a hard to get super hot girl lol, If you are up for the challenge, it is so rewarding at the end

I totally understand where you are coming from, but that hard to get super hot girl won't annoy me when I'm stuck in traffic

[PKL]

OP needs to practice! 6MT FTW!!! 6MT FTW! 6MT FTW!

[Prince_of_Persia]

Originally Posted by SeanR

I totally understand where you are coming from, but that hard to get super hot girl won't annoy me when I'm stuck in traffic

Oh believe me; she will start nagging eventually JK lol
As captainaudio mentioned, it will become second nature pretty soon. But again, if you want Convenience from your first day in your M3, get the DCT and put it in D and drive it like an automatic car.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by SeanR

I totally understand where you are coming from, but that hard to get super hot girl won't annoy me when I'm stuck in traffic

I drove MTs in New York City traffic for years. Once you get used to it iit is not that bad. It can be frustrating to learn to use an MT but it is not rocket science. IMO learning how to drive an MT properly (and take my word for it a significant proportion of MT owners don't know how to drive them properly) is a valuable skill.

CA

[SeanR]

Originally Posted by PKL

OP needs to practice! 6MT FTW!!! 6MT FTW! 6MT FTW!

Problem is, even if I practice, the only manual car I have access to is my M3, so it's going to end up exploding!

[Prince_of_Persia]

Originally Posted by SeanR

Problem is, even if I practice, the only manual car I have access to is my M3, so it's going to end up exploding!

NO IT WONT!!!!!! I learned driving manual car in my M3!!! This car is amazing to learn how to drive stick! It has hill assist as well which helps you a lot.

[SeanR]

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Persia

Oh believe me; she will start nagging eventually JK lol
As captainaudio mentioned, it will become second nature pretty soon. But again, if you want Convenience from your first day in your M3, get the DCT and put it in D and drive it like an automatic car.

That's not what I mean by convenience! Convenience to me is many things: not having to worry about exploding my car from having too much control, being kept in check by an automatron that knows what is best for the car, having more time listening to that beautiful exhaust note and less time listening to the idling time in between when you shift gears in a manual car, and being able to drive 100% of the time in S mode (not D!!). Plus, all of you who stick with manual, don't you get the slightest bit jealous of the machine that can downshift like a mofo every time?

[OC3]

Originally Posted by E=mc2

What!!!!!????

That was so mean

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Practice with the MT. It will become second nature a lot sooner than you think.

CA

indeed

Originally Posted by captainaudio

I drove MTs in New York City traffic for years. Once you get used to it iit is not that bad. It can be frustrating to learn to use an MT but it is not rocket science.

CA

For sure, and neither is heel-and-toe.

[ttt]

Originally Posted by SeanR

Problem is, even if I practice, the only manual car I have access to is my M3, so it's going to end up exploding!

I understand the trepidation, but I think you might be a bit too paranoid. If you set your expectations accordingly and don't be too aggressive, it's pretty unlikely that you'll f up your m3...

[Totti]

Also most people don't realise that around town, you don't need to heel+toe...

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by SeanR

That's not what I mean by convenience! Convenience to me is many things: not having to worry about exploding my car from having too much control, being kept in check by an automatron that knows what is best for the car, having more time listening to that beautiful exhaust note and less time listening to the idling time in between when you shift gears in a manual car, and being able to drive 100% of the time in S mode (not D!!). Plus, all of you who stick with manual, don't you get the slightest bit jealous of the machine that can downshift like a mofo every time?

Where are you located? If you are anywhere near NYC PM me and I will be happy to spend a day teaching you how to drive an MT, heel and toe, etc.

CA

[OC3]

Originally Posted by SeanR

That's not what I mean by convenience! Convenience to me is many things: not having to worry about exploding my car from having too much control, being kept in check by an automatron that knows what is best for the car, having more time listening to that beautiful exhaust note and less time listening to the idling time in between when you shift gears in a manual car, and being able to drive 100% of the time in S mode (not D!!). Plus, all of you who stick with manual, don't you get the slightest bit jealous of the machine that can downshift like a mofo every time?

lulz, dunno why but I at that expression.

[Prince_of_Persia]

Originally Posted by SeanR

That's not what I mean by convenience! Convenience to me is many things: not having to worry about exploding my car from having too much control, being kept in check by an automatron that knows what is best for the car, having more time listening to that beautiful exhaust note and less time listening to the idling time in between when you shift gears in a manual car, and being able to drive 100% of the time in S mode (not D!!). Plus, all of you who stick with manual, don't you get the slightest bit jealous of the machine that can downshift like a mofo every time?

Hell NO! I practiced more than a month to do Rev Matching. Here is the thread for it:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502553

And now I can do it more than 95% of the time. More importantly you do it YOURSELF and when you get it right, it feels GREAT! Plus with a manual M3 if you want to downshift from 4th gear straight to 2nd gear, you can! You don't have to go to 3rd gear first.

[gnhm3]

Let me give you my opinion with more depth. I had an 08 M3 when they first came out. I did not even consider getting a manual since I did not know how to drive one. The DCT was cool at first, but I found myself getting very bored with it. This is when I became interested in learning how to drive a 6mt.

Fast forward a little bit and I tried my hardest to find someone with a 08 6mt to trade with me. No luck so I had to suck it up. Lease ended and I found a CPO 335i with a 6mt and started learning. I learned how to drive that car the first day. Sure I stalled like crazy the first hour but by the end of the day I could drive fine. As the weeks went by I learned new things and felt more comfortable.

I sold my 335i in February and jumped into an 11' M3 last month. I again chose the 6mt as it is much more engaging and fun to drive. If I had to do it all over again I would still choose the 6mt. Take it from someone who has dealt with BOTH transmissions for an extended amount of time. Stick with the manual and learn to master it. You won't regret it.

The DCT is cool with its .02 second faster shifts but lets be real, that is not going to stop me from driving the transmission this car is meant to have. The DCT is way too basic and boring for me. All of you could say what you want but at the end of the day it is an "automatic" transmission.

[Franken///M]

Originally Posted by SeanR

That's not what I mean by convenience! Convenience to me is many things: not having to worry about exploding my car from having too much control, being kept in check by an automatron that knows what is best for the car, having more time listening to that beautiful exhaust note and less time listening to the idling time in between when you shift gears in a manual car, and being able to drive 100% of the time in S mode (not D!!).Plus, all of you who stick with manual, don't you get the slightest bit jealous of the machine that can downshift like a mofo every time?

trolling?, if you keep this up this already semi pointless thread is going to turn into nothing but hate on each side. You sound like you want a DCT, more power to you! I "could" be a dick ask if you are jealous of guys who actually know how to drive cars. Anyone could hop in your DCT put it in D and drive it...but I won't say that, at least not seriously. I have nothing against DCT, I won't attempt to argue why I think the 6MT is a better transmission or why I consider the DCT a fancy auto(Blasphemy I know!!!!) on a forum because it is pointless.



Good luck with your choice

[Prince_of_Persia]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Where are you located? If you are anywhere near NYC PM me and I will be happy to spend a day teaching you how to drive an MT, heel and toe, etc.

CA

That is so generous!!!

[SchnellM3]

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[///M Ryder]

I tried to stay out of this but I wanted to give the OP some sound advice. You are a young man and at this point it's "cool" that you drive a ///M3. It's even cooler that it's a "stick". Keep and learn how to drive it. Once you've mastered all the perks of a manual, (heel -toe, speed shifting and the others) then consider a DCT. I'm willing to bet that 90% of us DCT drivers got tired of a manual. I drove manuals for years and I would've dreamed of getting a automatic in my E36 ///M3. I also would've dreamed of getting a automatic in this ///M3. The fact that the DCT has all the characteristics of a 3 pedal manual (rev matching, neutral at all lights. it even rolls backwards on inclines) and it does all this with less effort and work on my part. This is great technology but I would tell you to leave this to us "old folks" that have had our stick time. Go out and learn how to rev match and money shift. Enjoy your 6MT ///M3 ..................Phil

[jmflukeiii]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

I tried to stay out of this but I wanted to give the OP some sound advice. You are a young man and at this point it's "cool" that you drive a ///M3. It's even cooler that it's a "stick". Keep and learn how to drive it. Once you've mastered all the perks of a manual, (heel -toe, speed shifting and the others) then consider a DCT. I'm willing to bet that 90% of us DCT drivers got tired of a manual. I drove manuals for years and I would've dreamed of getting a automatic in my E36 ///M3. I also would've dreamed of getting a automatic in this ///M3. The fact that the DCT has all the characteristics of a 3 pedal manual (rev matching, neutral at all lights. it even rolls backwards on inclines) and it does all this with less effort and work on my part. This is great technology but I would tell you to leave this to us "old folks" that have had our stick time. Go out and learn how to rev match and money shift. Enjoy your 6MT ///M3 ..................Phil

This is a good response. I'm sure some 6mt will chime in and say "you can't really drive stick so you got a DCT" but I think for a lot of us, that simply isn't true. A dual clutch transmission is a very cool, advanced technology, and I, like you, would have never dreamed of getting anything that does not have a left foot operated clutch until I went and drove the DCT transmission in the M3. Sure I miss the clutch and gear rowing at times, but when I'm really pushing the car (which is pretty much always), the DCT is really quite thrilling and useful, as well as ultimately being faster. I'm not saying you can't push a manual, because of course you can, but its a different feeling in the DCT and honestly I like it.

[ksoze]

Originally Posted by gnhm3

The DCT is cool with its .02 second faster shifts but lets be real, that is not going to stop me from driving the transmission this car is meant to have. The DCT is way too basic and boring for me. All of you could say what you want but at the end of the day it is an "automatic" transmission.

There are some who would actually say the DCT was built for this car. You choose a different one - good for you.

Because a hand and not a foot physically engages the clutch, does not make it an automatic transmission. If you used your knee to steer the wheel, it would still be a steering wheel turning the car and not "automatic" steering. The fact that the clutch can also optionally be engaged by a computer, still does not make it an automatic in any traditional use of the word.

[rye m3]

Some good posts here. I live 25 mile north of NYC and I'd give you an hour driving lesson as well. I've driven manuals forever and can double clutch, heel toe, etc.
I had an SMG E46 M3. Thought it was the hot thing so I gave up my MT. As i would think with a DCT, it would be fun for 6 months then become a bore. Or if you like to drive on the track, it would be perfect, because you really learn to brake, apex, etc.
I often wonder how many people chose the DCT because they think its cool or simply because they can't drive a stick.
Oh, switching to a DCT instead, that will be a $10k event, don't underestimate it.