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      09-30-2019, 07:01 PM   #10407
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Quick question, we've probably already discussed it in here but is anyone running 11" square with 285/30/18 or is it a lost cause up front?? slicer ??
Someone posted in this thread very recently about that setup with the Nankangs. It BARELY cleared. Try looking back a few pages.
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has anyone weight their full bodied m3 on an open aluminum trailer? mrs beef is looking at cars and i'm thinking we might be able to get some suv that we could tow the m3 with. problem is, there are tons of mid size suv's that tow around 5-6,000 lbs. cayennes can do 7,200.
i know the more the better, but what's the minimum?
For a full bodied M3 on an open aluminum trailer I would say 6k at the very bare minimum. Something like a 17.5' Featherlite is ~ 1700lbs. ~3800lbs E9x and you are already at 5500lbs. That's without tires, fuel, gear, etc. With an SUV you might end up having to carry all that on the trailer - so need to factor that in as well & maybe a rack or something to carry it. With a pickup you might be able to carry it all in the bed - would need to check GVWR and all that good stuff as well. With 6k capacity that is really cutting it close. I personally like to have a little room to spare under the capacity - but certainly that is not always possible.

If you haven't considered one a crew cab pickup can be an excellent daily driver. 1/2 tons ride well & are very versatile especially if you have a lockable bed cover. SUVs can certainly be capable too though if they have enough capacity.

For an open trailer I personally would want some kind of rack that holds tires and has locking boxes. Being able to lock everything up and mostly out of eyesight is awesome - especially if you overnight at a hotel or something similar. Certainly they can be broken into as well - but when all your tools & junk are not sitting exposed in the back of an SUV they are not quite as tempting. Also makes loading & unloading much quicker if you can keep the trailer stocked.

I started with a 20' open Featherlite - awesome trailer. Was in the process of building a rack for it when I decided to move to an enclosed trailer instead. The open trailer was definitely plenty to cover a full weekend at the track though.
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      09-30-2019, 07:17 PM   #10409
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What is your suspension setup, and what tire compound are you looking to run?

18x10.5" ET22 square is a great, versatile wheel setup for E9X M3 track enthusiasts. The 10.5" wheels are relatively easy to fit under the E9X fenders and they can support all the popular tire sizes (275/35-18, 285/30-18, 285/35-18 & 295/30-18).

All it takes is a wheel with the right offset (ET22 preferably), negative camber (which is considered a must regardless of wheel fitment) and a compliant suspension configuration (KW, Ohlins and some others would require modification as they take up too much inner clearance).

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Well everything is in process of transitioning this fall, but most likely going to the KW with the shorter front spring to help clearance. I'm not against rolling fenders at all if I Have to, but would rather not.
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      09-30-2019, 08:42 PM   #10411
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A few weeks ago I had to use this 48 foot trailer as the typical 28 footer was being used by some others. Luckily my 2017 F350 came prepared for a goose neck trailer. Popped the ball hitch in the middle of the pickup bed and good to go. The first corner I was up on the curb and almost took out the stop sign but from there on it was smooth sailing. Very easy towing with this truck. Keep in mind the truck and trailer is over 60 feet in length!!!
I like how you got Eddie in the shot cranking the jacks up. Probably the only real work he did all week :P
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      09-30-2019, 08:45 PM   #10412
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If you haven't considered one a crew cab pickup can be an excellent daily driver. 1/2 tons ride well & are very versatile especially if you have a lockable bed cover. SUVs can certainly be capable too though if they have enough capacity.
i've been trying to get mrs beef on board with getting a raptor. ok fuel economy, quick (she got used to her diesel's power), comfortable, and tons of luxury goodies.
i'm partial to ford for the towing tech, and the 10k tow rating of the raptor is more than enough. the rear seats fold up for the doggos. she just has it in her head that she doesn't want a truck. i think she just needs to drive one.

we drove a 2018 f250 platinum diesel and she was blown away with how nice it was and how well it drove. she is encouraging me to get one of those, but she needs a car soon and i'm thinking we could kill two birds with one stone.
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i've been trying to get mrs beef on board with getting a raptor. ok fuel economy, quick (she got used to her diesel's power), comfortable, and tons of luxury goodies.
i'm partial to ford for the towing tech, and the 10k tow rating of the raptor is more than enough. the rear seats fold up for the doggos. she just has it in her head that she doesn't want a truck. i think she just needs to drive one.

we drove a 2018 f250 platinum diesel and she was blown away with how nice it was and how well it drove. she is encouraging me to get one of those, but she needs a car soon and i'm thinking we could kill two birds with one stone.
Let's gooo!!
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Let's gooo!!
she won't budge. she'll go for a boring ass tahoe, but not a raptor. its just doesn't have a back area. wtf?
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My X5d tows better than a F150. Don't @ me.
i think i'm done with these european diesels. all kinds of smog crap adapted to them that isn't supposed to be on there. right now i think she has a fuel delivery problem, but i'm not 100% sure. we just had the carbon cleaning done- heads/manifold/swirl flaps... now something else is causing a limp mode. the car is paid for, and we are hoping to hold out for about a year, but if the dealer comes back with a $4k estimate, its adios. its about a $6k car.

the only other diesel i would take a look at are the cayennes, but i'm not sure if she's going to go for that.
i have been looking at the ~2013 cayenne S models. 400hp 4.3 n/a V8. doesn't look too complicated under the hood either. solid 7,700lb rating and porsche reliability.
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Quick question, we've probably already discussed it in here but is anyone running 11" square with 285/30/18 or is it a lost cause up front?? slicer ??
11" et30 M4GT4 wheels square with295/30/18 Nankang fit. You need the correct suspension setup.
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My X5d tows better than a F150. Don't @ me.
i think i'm done with these european diesels. all kinds of smog crap adapted to them that isn't supposed to be on there. right now i think she has a fuel delivery problem, but i'm not 100% sure. we just had the carbon cleaning done- heads/manifold/swirl flaps... now something else is causing a limp mode. the car is paid for, and we are hoping to hold out for about a year, but if the dealer comes back with a $4k estimate, its adios. its about a $6k car.

the only other diesel i would take a look at are the cayennes, but i'm not sure if she's going to go for that.
i have been looking at the ~2013 cayenne S models. 400hp 4.3 n/a V8. doesn't look too complicated under the hood either. solid 7,700lb rating and porsche reliability.
We picked up a Range Rover Sport diesel almost a year ago and I've been driving it around since my F80 lease ended. Not a bad car, probably going to install a hitch and make it my tow car. Only thing I can see bothering someone would be having to top off the diesel exhaust fluid every couple months. Pretty sure it's limit is 7700lbs like the cayenne. Can't complain for $850/month, they go for less than the gasoline options. The full size Range diesel feels a bit slow/heavy though
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      10-01-2019, 02:42 AM   #10418
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i've been trying to get mrs beef on board with getting a raptor. ok fuel economy, quick (she got used to her diesel's power), comfortable, and tons of luxury goodies.
i'm partial to ford for the towing tech, and the 10k tow rating of the raptor is more than enough. the rear seats fold up for the doggos. she just has it in her head that she doesn't want a truck. i think she just needs to drive one.

we drove a 2018 f250 platinum diesel and she was blown away with how nice it was and how well it drove. she is encouraging me to get one of those, but she needs a car soon and i'm thinking we could kill two birds with one stone.
Raptors make an excellent daily driver - would be my preference as a DD if I didn't need a heavier truck. I've had both a first and second gen - loved them both. Are they getting a bump in towing to 10k? Last I remember the crew cabs were at 8k. Their extra width over a standard F150 is noticeable - mainly when parking if that makes any difference.

The 250s are excellent. They ride great now, same room in the cab as the 1/2 tons, & the platinum trim is really nice. The short beds are fairly maneuverable if you are comfortable backing into most parking spots. Very good daily if you plan to tow a pretty decent amount.

If you like Ford's platinum trim don't overlook a non-raptor F150. The ecoboost still has a lot of pep - and it is a very capable tow rig. Comfort, tech, & all the backseat room still there.

Be warned the whole trailer / tow rig thing can be a slippery slope just as bad as tracking is.
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i've been trying to get mrs beef on board with getting a raptor. ok fuel economy, quick (she got used to her diesel's power), comfortable, and tons of luxury goodies.
i'm partial to ford for the towing tech, and the 10k tow rating of the raptor is more than enough. the rear seats fold up for the doggos. she just has it in her head that she doesn't want a truck. i think she just needs to drive one.

we drove a 2018 f250 platinum diesel and she was blown away with how nice it was and how well it drove. she is encouraging me to get one of those, but she needs a car soon and i'm thinking we could kill two birds with one stone.

The Raptors are not great tow vehicles, from what I hear. The suspension and ride height are far from ideal for any sort of regular towing.

I think the tow capacity is 8k on the Raptor, not 10k.
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The Raptors are not great tow vehicles, from what I hear. The suspension and ride height are far from ideal for any sort of regular towing.

I think the tow capacity is 8k on the Raptor, not 10k.
They are not the best tow vehicle out there but they are certainly capable of handling what he is describing.
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I'll be upgrading my 17 F350 to the refreshed 2020 F350 1050lbs of torque, 10 speed and new safety features some time in the next 6 months.
That's going to be an awesome truck. I didn't want to wait that long so got into a '19 F450 earlier this year. Definitely great trucks. Going to be interesting with the new 10 speed too.
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Quick question, we've probably already discussed it in here but is anyone running 11" square with 285/30/18 or is it a lost cause up front?? slicer ??
dogbone runs those sizes on his E90.
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Or get this truck and trailer for 10k - https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...w-package.html
I need room for the wife and two german shepherds.
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How'd the coaching go? What did you learn?
I realized I never replied to this.

We focused on a variety of things throughout the day, but if I had to put it all into a few buckets: taking the car to the limit, proper trail braking, and traffic management. While some of these might sound really elementary for a person who has been doing HPDE for a while, I would say that his focus was really on getting me to do those things consistently and making me feel comfortable that I could handle it on a subconscious level.

Scott rode right seat for every single session and we used his Chatterbox to communicate throughout. Fortunately, my PDR camera picked up the audio perfectly so I also have a record of it for review later! He also brought with an AIM Solo DL and hooked it up so we could review data as needed.





The whole day was very humbling, to my earlier point. I wasn't exactly a slow or sloppy driver before, but I had definitely picked up some bad habits over time / gotten lazy. We spoke about this as one of my objectives when I met him in person for the first time and I now feel like I have successfully broken one of my worst habits of overslowing the car, as an example. His trailbraking coaching is probably what did the trick for that.

Scott said that at the beginning of the day, I was getting the car to the limit (wiggling/oversteer) on maybe 3 of the corners. By the very end of the day, I was doing it at every corner...every time, and was able to anticipate it and drive through it without him saying anything.


We knocked over 2 seconds off my time at MSR Cresson 1.7 CCW by the end of the day, with some of the predictive/flying lap times showing it was probably closer to 3 seconds if I could get in a perfect run!

The next day he was on-site but just spectating for a little bit before heading home. Without him in the car, I was able to run very consistent times just above the predictive stuff on the AIM unit. I felt pretty damn good about that considering that it was hotter and the brakes/tires were pretty heavily worn. When I looked at the car's PDR data earlier tonight, there was a marked difference in things versus my laps there just two weeks ago with SCCA TNIA.


My biggest takeaway: I shouldn't have waited so long to get proper coaching! I will 100% recommend Scott to anyone who has this hobby and am already trying to plan my next coaching day. Way better use of my money than better tires or whatever other upgrades I had on my shopping list. Pic related
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