Car and Driver is, "Not crazy about the new M3."

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by W///

Yea seriously. Why don't you guys keep that in the F80 section. Has absolutely nothing to do with the E9x.

Because the f80 guys will say. My f80 makes more torque at 2k rpm. My trip into town is now more fun. Therefore the f80 is a far better car. That's honestly all they talk about over there. Torque

[W///]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Has a lot to do with the E9x(it's the new version) and even more with the E9x owners who are the most liable people to buy the new car.

And you know how it is on the other forum, really not the best place to discuss the flaws of the new car!

The ones that will move into an F80 has already decided to at least test drive it, or have already bought one.

You guys have obviously already made up your mind about the car, so what are we learning in all these new threads? Nothing IMO.

I just wish there were more topics to discuss on the E9x, about modding, maintaining ect... forums have just been so dead lately.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Because the f80 guys will say. My f80 makes more torque at 2k rpm. My trip into town is now more fun. Therefore the f80 is a far better car. That's honestly all they talk about over there. Torque

And all you talk about (literally) is how the E9x sounds better than the F8x. So it all evens out really.

[V8FunNaturally]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

yeah so not one of those comments says that the throttle isn't linear. only the second one says anything about throttle control at all

newsflash, high powered cars with RWD are trickier to drive than lower powered ones. that applies to ANY car.

and again, like I said, you were dead wrong about amg offering no rwd turbo cars. their flagship sports car and sports sedan are rwd.

EDIT : enough said here, this forum is for the e9x, not the f8x.

Really ? Read again:
"throttle leading to unpredictable yaw",
"torque spiking sending the car to a 100mph slide",
"unacceptably traction compromised".

Those are very serious statements.

dead wrong about mercedes ? don't get all angry bro. I take back my statement about all merc turbo being awd, but yet you were wrong about the 2014 E63 AMG V8 biturbo AWD and the CLS63 AMG AWD.

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by W///

The ones that will move into an F80 has already decided to at least test drive it, or have already bought one.

You guys have obviously already made up your mind about the car, so what are we learning in all these new threads? Nothing IMO.

I just wish there were more topics to discuss on the E9x, about modding, maintaining ect... forums have just been so dead lately.

On the contrary, there are:

rod bearing issues
oil issues
weird noises issues
rod bearing issues
oil issues
weird noises issues


see?

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by W///

And all you talk about (literally) is how the E9x sounds better than the F8x. So it all evens out really.

i am just pissed off, that the out going model is more of a appealing car. I have the money for the new model. its hard to like the E9x M3 so much, then dislike the new M3.

I have never experienced this before. Usually next generation cars have a lot of the same traits. Even going from the E46 M3 to the E92 M3. they kept the same style of engine.

muslce cars like the camaro, mustang. for the most part keep a 6 speed manual, and V8 engines. for each generation. So the only thing people bitch about is maybe styling.

Like the next gen C63 is keeping the v8 motor because they know going from a monster 6.2L V8 to a V6 is not going to fly.

I remember talking about my mother the other week. she was telling me to get the new M3 because its BMW, and the engineering is of one the best.

I showed her a few clips of the F80 in action. and i quote "do people think this car sounds good? because they are filming it, they must think so " (youtube video).

true story.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by W///

The ones that will move into an F80 has already decided to at least test drive it, or have already bought one.

You guys have obviously already made up your mind about the car, so what are we learning in all these new threads? Nothing IMO.

I just wish there were more topics to discuss on the E9x, about modding, maintaining ect... forums have just been so dead lately.

Some of us are still learning things in these threads. BMW will also learn a lot on what their costumers want by reading these threads. I deeply think that the best way to let them know of our discontent towards the new model is to share it in here.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

yeah so not one of those comments says that the throttle isn't linear. only the second one says anything about throttle control at all

newsflash, high powered cars with RWD are trickier to drive than lower powered ones. that applies to ANY car.

and again, like I said, you were dead wrong about amg offering no rwd turbo cars. their flagship sports car and sports sedan are rwd.

EDIT : enough said here, this forum is for the e9x, not the f8x.

Even if he was wrong about the Merc being AWD, it's not like these cars are known for being good track cars or even canyon carvers, they are mostly known for being german dragsters and tire shredders, which to me prooves his point!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i am just pissed off, that the out going model is more of a appealing car. I have the money for the new model. its hard to like the E9x M3 so much, then dislike the new M3.

I have never experienced this before. Usually next generation cars have a lot of the same traits. Even going from the E46 M3 to the E92 M3. they kept the same style of engine.

muslce cars like the camaro, mustang. for the most part keep a 6 speed manual, and V8 engines. for each generation. So the only thing people bitch about is maybe styling.

Like the next gen C63 is keeping the v8 motor because they know going from a monster 6.2L V8 to a V6 is not going to fly. I remember talking about my mother the other week. she was telling me to get the new M3 because its BMW, and the engineering is of one the best.

I showed her a few clips of the F80 in action. and i quote "do people think this car sounds good? because they are filming it, they must think so " (youtube video).

true story.

I even saw a review of the new AMG GT(same engine as next C63) in which the reviewer say that the new turbo V8 sounds even better then the 6.2L. in the old C63, BMW should take some note from that!

[Flying Ace]

they actually prefer the M235

[Wilsel]

I think some tires better than the PSS will cure most of the issue. Plus they are probably all driving in Sport Plus where throttle modulation is more difficult.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Wilsel

I think some tires better than the PSS will cure most of the issue.

Is there really any better tires then the PSS?

[W///]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Some of us are still learning things in these threads. BMW will also learn a lot on what their costumers want by reading these threads. I deeply think that the best way to let them know of our discontent towards the new model is to share it in here.

What are we learning Alex? Every thread is exactly the same. When Steve Sutcliffe said he'd rather have an Alpina D3, the same members (including me) said the exact same thing.

It's the same thing as I said Ezio. This is nothing new than when all new models came out and people refuse to give them a shot.

Anyway, I'll see you in another thread where we get to talk about our actual cars. I'm done discussing in F8x threads, it goes nowhere

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by W///

What are we learning Alex? Every thread is exactly the same. When Steve Sutcliffe said he'd rather have an Alpina D3, the same members (including me) said the exact same thing.

It's the same thing as I said Ezio. This is nothing new than when all new models came out and people refuse to give them a shot.

Anyway, I'll see you in another thread where we get to talk about our actual cars. I'm done discussing in F8x threads, it goes nowhere

Well, for one we learned that C&D is not crazy about the new M3/M4!

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Is there really any better tires then the PSS?

The PSS is a good all around street tire but there are a lot of tires that offer more grip and performance. The PSS is not a good tire if you are looking at all out performance. It also has soft sidewalls, turns to mush on track and is overall terrible when it overheats. The AD08R, RE11A, RS3, Z2SS and others all have more grip in a street tire.

[Wilsel]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Is there really any better tires then the PSS?

Yes if you don't mind replacing them more often. The PSS is 75-80% a long wear compound, with a softer compound on the outside edge. That gives you decent grip when cornering hard, and a longer life when you're not. The problem is under acceleration it sacrifices grip because it's not using the outside edge which provides the most grip.

[AreOut]

I wonder if S65 will fit without much fuss, so just wait that F80s start getting out of warranty and someone will drop a supercharged S65 in that car and call it a day.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Z K

The PSS is a good all around street tire but there are a lot of tires that offer more grip and performance. The PSS is not a good tire if you are looking at all out performance. It also has soft sidewalls, turns to mush on track and is overall terrible when it overheats. The AD08R, RE11A, RS3, Z2SS and others all have more grip in a street tire.

Well the only other tires I had on my M3 were the AD08s and the were much worst then my PSS, both in 255/295. The AD08 use to light up sometimes in straight line in 2nd gear near 7000rpm, that never happened with the PSS, they are always at a good operating temp, that's what you want in the street. Maybe some other tires will do this better but the PSS are such a big improvement that I did'nt care looking.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Well the only other tires I had on my M3 were the AD08s and the were much worst then my PSS, both in 255/295. The AD08 use to light up sometimes in straight line in 2nd gear near 7000rpm, that never happened with the PSS, they are always at a good operating temp, that's what you want in the street. Maybe some other tires will do this better but the PSS are such a big improvement that I did'nt care looking.

I went the opposite way. I had PSS and now have AD08R. Way more grip and much more road feel. It's not even a comparison. But then I am talking about track cornering grip, not straight line.

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by W///

What are we learning Alex? Every thread is exactly the same. When Steve Sutcliffe said he'd rather have an Alpina D3, the same members (including me) said the exact same thing.

It's the same thing as I said Ezio. This is nothing new than when all new models came out and people refuse to give them a shot.

Anyway, I'll see you in another thread where we get to talk about our actual cars. I'm done discussing in F8x threads, it goes nowhere

The same subject twice in 1 week lol. Its unfortunate but I really believe it makes E9x guys feel better about keeping their V8 M3. Whatever makes them sleep better at night

[Wilsel]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Well the only other tires I had on my M3 were the AD08s and the were much worst then my PSS, both in 255/295. The AD08 use to light up sometimes in straight line in 2nd gear near 7000rpm, that never happened with the PSS, they are always at a good operating temp, that's what you want in the street. Maybe some other tires will do this better but the PSS are such a big improvement that I did'nt care looking.

Honestly for the E9X they're the best street tire. If you suddenly add 130lbs of torque below 3000rpm though I could see them being a handful.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Z K

I went the opposite way. I had PSS and now have AD08R. Way more grip and much more road feel. It's not even a comparison. But then I am talking about track cornering grip, not straight line.

How's the grip when it rains with AD08R ?
A "road tire" must be good in dry and wet road conditions and PSS is good in both !