evo: New M3 is a "disappointment"

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

"superb poise and balance" when wet.

http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m3/8734/bmw-m3

Couldn't find a video for eCotY (other than a preview).

*** evo Car of the Year 2007: The Result ***

1st Porsche 997 GT3 RS = 95.7

2nd Ferrari 430 Scuderia = 94.9
3rd Audi R8 = 93.6
4th Mercedes CLK63 AMG Black = 91.4
5th BMW M3 = 90.9
6th Honda Civic Type-R = 89.4
7th Lambo Gallardo Superleggera = 88.2
8th Nissan 350Z = 87.6
9th Lotus 2-Eleven = 87.0
10th Mini Cooper S Works = 86.1
11th Vauxhall VXR8 = 83.8
12th Aston Martin DBS = 78.9

Thanks, man! 5th among some of these super cars is formidable indeed.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Sebringjetta

just so you all know you are all getting banned for talking bad about the new m3/4...lmfao

true story!

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

500hp no problem, 500tq different story!

My friend gave me a quick ride in his stock M4 the other day, mainly to show me how disapointed he was by the sound of the MPE I got him(bought it from IND at a good price and brought it back to Canada for him), it was a bit wet and all he could do was to get the TC light to blink, without the TC he would just spin badly. My +550hp E92 is far from having that much traction issue in similar condition, sure I'm running 295s PSS and he only has 275s but I still have 100hp more then him and my car grips better in the wet!

I'll say it again, a high hp/high torque turbo engine is not well suited with a front engine/RWD platform, this kind of engine needs AWD unless you want a drift car!!

I dunno, I have owned a few that were great DD, you just got a ride in one. TQ and HP are diff and that's the main reason the e9x feels down on power. Once you get up to 7500-8k though and the car keeps pulling it really is wild considering it's a v8 and the car really shines upstairs but daily driving stoplight to stoplight the torque is nice to have as it keeps the car moving. Shit, you could start a z06 in 5th gear from a stop sign!! (even top gear did it). The m3 (e9x) drives like a rev happy 4 cylinder. It's a great car and I love this one more than the new, but too many people are dismissing the f8x and it's proving to be a big HP monster!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

500hp no problem, 500tq different story!

My friend gave me a quick ride in his stock M4 the other day, mainly to show me how disapointed he was by the sound of the MPE I got him(bought it from IND at a good price and brought it back to Canada for him), it was a bit wet and all he could do was to get the TC light to blink, without the TC he would just spin badly. My +550hp E92 is far from having that much traction issue in similar condition, sure I'm running 295s PSS and he only has 275s but I still have 100hp more then him and my car grips better in the wet!

I'll say it again, a high hp/high torque turbo engine is not well suited with a front engine/RWD platform, this kind of engine needs AWD unless you want a drift car!!

This is why Ferrari is trying hard to limit torque by tuning the boost at certain rpm

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

I still think the E92 has plenty of power to enjoy. Usually those who keep craving more and more power aren't the best drivers because the only thrill they get is going fast in a straight line. A good driver will have a blast even in an FR-S/BRZ. Going fast through corners and getting the rear to slip out is where the most fun in a car is and thankfully you don't need tons of HP for that.

True, but you usually need a track to do that while having tons of power makes it fun even on the road!

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

500hp no problem, 500tq different story!

My friend gave me a quick ride in his stock M4 the other day, mainly to show me how disapointed he was by the sound of the MPE I got him(bought it from IND at a good price and brought it back to Canada for him), it was a bit wet and all he could do was to get the TC light to blink, without the TC he would just spin badly. My +550hp E92 is far from having that much traction issue in similar condition, sure I'm running 295s PSS and he only has 275s but I still have 100hp more then him and my car grips better in the wet!

I'll say it again, a high hp/high torque turbo engine is not well suited with a front engine/RWD platform, this kind of engine needs AWD unless you want a drift car!!

It's called modulating your right foot. I've been driving a 135is loaner in the rain the past few days with DSC off. Sure it's no M4, but definitely a lot more low end torque than my M3. I'm quite surprised at how much it takes to actually get the car to slide. There's just so much grip even in the wet.

[Sebringjetta]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

It's called modulating your right foot. I've been driving a 135is loaner in the rain the past few days with DSC off. Sure it's no M4, but definitely a lot more low end torque than my M3. I'm quite surprised at how much it takes to actually get the car to slide. There's just so much grip even in the wet.

Where is the m3?

[V8FunNaturally]

Originally Posted by thekurgan

Thanks, man! 5th among some of these super cars is formidable indeed.

the only true supercars in that list are ahead of the m4. 350Z, civic or mini are supercars now ? Except for the lambo. All those british aston and vauxhall aren't true supercars, but it's a british show so..

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by s85e90

I dunno, I have owned a few that were great DD, you just got a ride in one. TQ and HP are diff and that's the main reason the e9x feels down on power. Once you get up to 7500-8k though and the car keeps pulling it really is wild considering it's a v8 and the car really shines upstairs but daily driving stoplight to stoplight the torque is nice to have as it keeps the car moving. Shit, you could start a z06 in 5th gear from a stop sign!! (even top gear did it). The m3 (e9x) drives like a rev happy 4 cylinder. It's a great car and I love this one more than the new, but too many people are dismissing the f8x and it's proving to be a big HP monster!

Did'nt Top Gear do the same with the e9x M3 in 4th gear!?

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Did'nt Top Gear do the same with the e9x M3 in 4th gear!?

Don't know , but I would think it would stall

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

It's called modulating your right foot. I've been driving a 135is loaner in the rain the past few days with DSC off. Sure it's no M4, but definitely a lot more low end torque than my M3. I'm quite surprised at how much it takes to actually get the car to slide. There's just so much grip even in the wet.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

It's called modulating your right foot. I've been driving a 135is loaner in the rain the past few days with DSC off. Sure it's no M4, but definitely a lot more low end torque than my M3. I'm quite surprised at how much it takes to actually get the car to slide. There's just so much grip even in the wet.

Yep it's called modulating, and having to modulate the throttle more then you'd like to is exactly what's taking the fun away IMO! Also, turbo engines are usually not renowned for their precision with the throttle.

[V8FunNaturally]

Originally Posted by s85e90

My z06 made more power and was fine...

not fine... This is how i expect the m4/3 to crash too due to RWD turbo, in straights at high speed. move to 1 min 6 sec on the first video.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Don't know , but I would think it would stall

Well, it did'nt!

And BTW, I've been in a Z06 and thought that engine was kind of lazy in the low RPM, that coupled with a more linear delivery and some 325s tires probably makes that car much easier to drive in the wet then F8x, just my .02$!

[Saandiaago]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

I still think the E92 has plenty of power to enjoy. Usually those who keep craving more and more power aren't the best drivers because the only thrill they get is going fast in a straight line. A good driver will have a blast even in an FR-S/BRZ. Going fast through corners and getting the rear to slip out is where the most fun in a car is and thankfully you don't need tons of HP for that.

This.
Wasn't there a video where the way more underpowered Porsche C2 (NOT S) beat the M4 around a track - forgot which track but it was on the same day and same professional driver.
Plus I seriously can't get over the lawn mower sound while idling. Granted it sounds okay under load, but that idle sound is just terrible in my opinion.

[aus]

Just read the Dec Car & Driver on the Lexus F series coupe. They like it but didn't love it, but they took a few pot shots at the M4 when they praised the NA engine of the Lexus and the suspension and ride of the Lexus.

Originally Posted by Sebringjetta

just so you all know you are all getting banned for talking bad about the new m3/4...lmfao

LOL

[davesaddiction]

For reference:



Found here: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1053415

[nicksm3]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

I still think the E92 has plenty of power to enjoy. Usually those who keep craving more and more power aren't the best drivers because the only thrill they get is going fast in a straight line. A good driver will have a blast even in an FR-S/BRZ. Going fast through corners and getting the rear to slip out is where the most fun in a car is and thankfully you don't need tons of HP for that.

Agreed!
Look at Team Schirmer Killing the Nurburgring in their E92 M3. Nothing done to the motor, just full exhaust, seats, cage, a diet and computer work. But their handling department is INSANE! They are hitting lap times of 7 min in the Nurburgring.
Get the E92 dialed in and you have a beast with a lovely sounding V8. Nuff said.

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by sunsweet

the only true supercars in that list are ahead of the m4. 350Z, civic or mini are supercars now ? Except for the lambo. All those british aston and vauxhall aren't true supercars, but it's a british show so..

I said: "some" of the cars, to avoid any more constipation:

Not super cars, super priced cars ... aside from, yes, the Japper rides.

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by Sebringjetta

Where is the m3?

Getting a new motor.

[Sebringjetta]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

Getting a new motor.

PLEASE TELL ME 4.4 STROKER? PLEASE TELL ME NOT A RESULT OF YOU KNOW WHAT...

[crypticc]

This?

[http://player.vimeo.com/video/113158655


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