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12-26-2017, 09:03 AM | #23 | |
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12-26-2017, 10:00 AM | #24 | |
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To anyone on a budget who needs an inexpensive reliable car, I never recommend BMW and always suggest Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infinity, Honda/Acura, Mazda, Subaru, Hyundai. Leasing is usually a bad deal. Buying new is usually a bad deal unless you plan to keep forever. Buying 2-3 years old with extended warranty seems like the best balance. When we bought our CPO 08M3 and 535xit, we had 1-2 years of full warranty and 2 years of CPO warranty, and paid 1/3 less than new. It was the least risk—if they were bad cars we would have sold them when the warranty ran out. Still have them and will probably keep them another 2-3 years. |
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12-26-2017, 10:41 AM | #25 |
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I don't think maintenance expenses are as bad as people make them out to be for a daily driven car assuming you can do the basics yourself. Oil changes are $125 every 5-7k mi. Brake pads and rotors are $1000, but the rotors last ~60-75k mi. Summer tires get replaced every 20k mi and cost $800-$1200. Spark plugs, trans/diff fluid, coolant, and other general maintenance items aren't super expensive. Honestly the only ownership expense that stands out as much higher than a "regular car" is fuel. The only way you get screwed on maintenance expenses is if you insist on taking your car to the dealership for service. All things taken into consideration and not counting gas, I spend maybe $300-400 more per year maintaining my M3 than I would spend on a regular car. Totally worth it if you ask me.
If you are worried about repair costs, just spend a few thousand on a good aftermarket warranty. I'm a big proponent because mine has paid out over $10k in repairs, but my car was an unlucky outlier and certainly not average. If you go this route, I would recommend not paying more than $1k/yr. I've seen a lot of people post some stupid-high warranty costs that they are unlikely to break even on. Mine was only $500/yr through my credit union, but YMMV. With that being said, I second the notion that if you are looking for an inexpensive reliable car, stick with the Japanese brands.
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If you had younger kids, I would definitely not have an issue with the e90, but if you are just starting out and plan to have a few kids in the next several years, I would make sure you're doing the right thing with regard to size.
I don't know the laws in FL, but friends of mine from MD are required to use rear facing child seats until the kids become a certain size/age (?), but it basically translates into a couple of years with each kid. I have ridden in their mkVI jetta and Q7 with rear facing seats and it's a vastly different experience. If you will be taking the kid(s) in your car at all, I would see how a rear facing seat (assuming you need to use one) fits in the back of the car and allows for a safe seating of people in the front. I was about 3 mm away from not being able to fit in the front of my buddy's Jetta and although I couldn't completely stretch out in the Q7, it was much more comfortable to be a passenger in. Frankly, I would lease a disposable car with a big back seat until you're done with having kids. Maybe an SUV as well. Although I don't/won't have kids, I the rear seat space that can get taken up by certain types of car seats is no joke and something I will not soon forget. Once all of the kids are in a small front facing or booster seat, then I'd be interested in a smaller sports sedan. |
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Skip the kids get whatever car you want and enjoy the cash
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12-27-2017, 08:17 AM | #28 | |
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Solid advice man... Honestly - I'm going to test drive an Infiniti Q50 Red Sport today to see if something that large will be "doable". It's essentially 5 Series size. I'd like to stay away from a truck as my wife is looking at the Q7 or Volvo XC90 (she really wants 3 rows). Current situation is NO kid...but next year this time...we'll probably have 1 on the way or already keeping us up at night. My lease is up in 10 months but I need to decide fairly soon on what I'm getting. |
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12-27-2017, 11:45 AM | #29 | ||
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12-27-2017, 03:13 PM | #30 | |
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Which of the M3’s competitors would you consider not to be a gamble and free of engineering flaws?
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12-27-2017, 04:19 PM | #31 | ||
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Sure, you can marry the fickle mistress and try to mitigate your risks with all kinds of back up plans but why not just go with something with a not so crappy record? Mr pimps for cheddar has a family and kids, does he really want to deal with battle roy-als with bmw corporate, warranty companies, and mechanics while his car has its bearings replaced (which is ridiculous btw). Friggin thing could throw a rod god knows where on a family trip. Audi seems to be BMWs direct competitor, I guess check out their cars. As far as I know the M3s are the only cars in this class with this disastrous a flaw; I would look into the Audi V8 cars. Btw, just giving my 2 cents as mr cheddar asked, not looking to get into any pissing contests on the Internet; see special olympics. |
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12-27-2017, 05:09 PM | #32 | |
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12-27-2017, 05:28 PM | #34 |
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Speaking from experience, the car is difficult with rear-facing seats. Once they are forward-facing they work fine.
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12-27-2017, 08:43 PM | #35 | |
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I wouldn’t trust any comparable Audi to be a less expensive overall ownership experience than an M3. I’m assuming you are referring to the RS4? Those need costly carbon cleaning performed semi-regularly and I’m sure they have other known issues. The carbon cleaning alone would be more expensive than our throttle actuators. The newest one you can get is also 10 years old at this point and quite dated. Not to mention the inferior driving characteristics. Audis are not known for their reliability any more than BMWs are. Any used sport luxury car, especially from a European brand, is going to have potential costly repairs and is a gamble. The M3 is no exception but it’s known to be an overall reliable platform and the benchmark in most other ways. If you want similar performance for the money with cheaper repair/maintenance, go with a Mustang or something I guess.
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12-28-2017, 04:23 AM | #36 | |
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All cars have their issues.. the M3 bearing issue is probably one of the few that causes catastrophic failure, but I agree with Iyzmi that I think we see a lopsided view on the forum as people here either come because they had a failure, or stress their cars more with upgrades. Before I bought mine I had never heard of this issue, and if such an iconic performance car really did have high failure rates you’d be sure that motoring journalists would bring it up all the time. As far as using a performance car for kids... I brought up 3 kids with my Evo (from age zero), and had no issues with seats or space. I highly recommend looking at Diono Radian RXT seats for kids. They will last from age zero to age 11 (5 to 120lbs), can fit three abreast in a compact (my Evo is smaller in the back than my M3), and are safer than almost any other seat out there. As a bonus they are aircraft approved too. They can be used rear facing or front facing and convert to a booster when your kid is old enough.. and they are only $300 each. https://us.diono.com/product/radian-rxt/ My motto is never compromise on the performance of the car - we’ve never had an SUV or minivan and never intend to Thanks! S. |
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12-28-2017, 08:44 AM | #37 | ||
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My internal battle exactly! I'm fortunate enough to be able to survive a $5k fix...but do I really want to do that with a car? Absolutely not! My E92 335i went out of warranty and in 2 months - I had Coil Packs ($1,600) and Fuel Injectors ($2,600) go out plus 2 tow trips. Car was running absolutely blissful and had everything replaced under warranty prior to it ending (AC Compressor, Condenser, Battery, Engine Carbon Cleaning, etc). Fucking sucked to fork over $4k in repairs and have my car sit at a dealership twice in 3 weeks. Brutal but more frustrating than anything else! Personally - I don't know if the reward is worth the potential headache. Struggle I'm having to decide on now because I can't think of anything as rewarding of a car as this... Quote:
Awesome man! Greatly appreciate the insight and you're right...once an issue arises - it slowly becomes a plague throughout the community. I'm actually thinking - if I can get a warranty with the car...I'll consider it immediately. So I'll be doing some digging into the topic on my end! |
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12-28-2017, 09:21 AM | #38 |
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I would not want to spend all that money either. The better S55 coil packs are a few hundred dollars and I changed them myself in a few hours on my 08 535xit. Most BMW are expensive to maintain out of warranty if you use a dealer.
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I can find you e9x 328i with 50-60K miles for $11K-$13K all day long so low $20K's sounded weird. And for e9x m3's ones again if you look around hard enough you definitely can find 2008-2009 with 70-80K miles within low $20K. Btw I rather pay $20K for 2008 m3 with 90K miles instead of paying $17K for 2010 328i with 40K bro. (Previous cars 328,335 here)
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Convertibles have always consistently sold at a discount against coupes/sedans across all M cars. Does matter if it was a E63/4, E90/E92/E93, F12/13/06, E46, etc. This exact same car would be worth at least $25-7k at the retail pricing level for a E92 or E90 Last edited by Flying Ace; 12-28-2017 at 07:08 PM.. |
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