Tread splice info and the Nitto issue

Bubbles · 03-06-2013, 09:15 PM

I can't believe how common this issue is.

w00tw00t · 03-06-2013, 09:38 PM

holy shit guys.. i just bought NT01 and just saw this thread.. Nittttttooooo! GAAARRR!

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by w00tw00t

holy shit guys.. i just bought NT01 and just saw this thread.. Nittttttooooo! GAAARRR!

just go slow. they wont open up.

OC3 · 03-07-2013, 02:59 AM

Just go slow? On a track?

CanAutM3 · 03-07-2013, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiralOut

Well, I'll find out soon I guess..... my R888's are on the way via UPS right now. I actually found the NT01s to get very greasy as well so will be interesting to feel the differences between the 2. I could go all out about 15 minutes on NT01's, then the rest of the session i had to go somewhat easy as they slid all over the place.

I know i should probably step up to real slicks but I liked the NT01 cause they gave me decent grip at a decent price and they would last me pretty much a whole season if I flipped them on the rims one time. I guess if the R888's suck i'll move on and try something else.

I find the NT01s to be quite stable in terms of grip. Maybe you are running a bit too high pressure wise... What hot pressure do you target?

bigjae1976 · 03-07-2013, 09:46 AM

I saw a thing on tire rack about splices and toyo tires a few days ago. Interesting read and basically it says the splice is normal. You do have to rotate/flip the tires to prevent the splice from getting larger.

I drove with the splice but it got to the point where there was a chunk missing...had to toss them. i think the chunks were ripped off after running over some curbs.

I've heard some people getting tires replaced from splicing/chunking.

bigjae1976 · 03-07-2013, 09:50 AM

Also, discount tire tacks on sales tax which is more than shipping.

$1035 shipped from Performance Tread...beats discount tire

SpiralOut · 03-07-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I find the NT01s to be quite stable in terms of grip. Maybe you are running a bit too high pressure wise... What hot pressure do you target?

I tried running different pressures to see which worked best. Highest i ever ran was around 40 to 42 hot.

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiralOut

I tried running different pressures to see which worked best. Highest i ever ran was around 40 to 42 hot.

i shoot for 41 front and 40 rear hot. sometimes overshoot that after too many laps but havent noticed it make this problem worse.

bigjae1976 · 03-07-2013, 10:27 AM

I put a new pair on the front. I've been running 32-35psi hot...no issues so far.

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I put a new pair on the front. I've been running 32-35psi hot...no issues so far.

are you starting sessions with 20lbs?

bigjae1976 · 03-07-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I put a new pair on the front. I've been running 32-35psi hot...no issues so far.

are you starting sessions with 20lbs?

25-26

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 10:50 AM

okay thats still pretty low for your out laps. i usually start around 31-32 and im in lower temps than you. still come up over 10 lbs.

mid-corner fun · 03-07-2013, 11:34 AM

subscribed

wow, I just found this thread, had no idea of this issue. I've been running NT01s for 2.5 seasons and never had a problem with several sets.

BTW, I start at 28/29 and shoot for 38 hot. Works well for a 20-25min session.

ortho281 · 03-07-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Also, discount tire tacks on sales tax which is more than shipping.

$1035 shipped from Performance Tread...beats discount tire

I paid $1,216.11 with heat-cycling shipped. I went with Discount Tire because they could get tires to me in 1 day. Do Performance Tread also do heat-cycling?

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Originally Posted by SpiralOut

I tried running different pressures to see which worked best. Highest i ever ran was around 40 to 42 hot.

That's a bit high for the NT01's. I shoot for 35-37 hot.

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

i shoot for 41 front and 40 rear hot. sometimes overshoot that after too many laps but havent noticed it make this problem worse.

^ Try lower pressures. You will find they don't drop off during long sessions.

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I put a new pair on the front. I've been running 32-35psi hot...no issues so far.

I guess I'm right in the middle running 35-37 hot.

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

25-26

I start with 29 cold and adj from there to around 35-37 hot. I usually have to keep bleeding off as they heats up and heat soak sets in.

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

okay thats still pretty low for your out laps. i usually start around 31-32 and im in lower temps than you. still come up over 10 lbs.

Tires will come up a little more in colder weather as heat soak sets in.

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 12:08 PM

Performance tread does heat cycle. My hot pressures are based on tire temp data. I was running lower and my center section of the tires were running cold. For me I have the feeling they come on later in the session not fall off?

OC3 · 03-07-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

... I've been running 32-35psi hot...no issues so far.

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

25-26

^^+1

bigjae1976 · 03-07-2013, 04:17 PM

I've called NITTO, they said heat cycling is not needed. So I don't bother. The last two I finished lasted 2 wet days and 6 dry days which is about normal considering how much sliding I do. I only corded one on the right rear. If I had rotated sooner I could have gotten another day. No heat cycling...

ortho281 · 03-07-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I've called NITTO, they said heat cycling is not needed. So I don't bother. The last two I finished lasted 2 wet days and 6 dry days which is about normal considering how much sliding I do. I only corded one on the right rear. If I had rotated sooner I could have gotten another day. No heat cycling...

I heat cycled this new set to see if it would make a difference with the tread splicing. but from what others have said on here, it may not. I have 5 dry days and 1 wet day (12 sessions total) on my current set. And seeing as though I have at least another day left, that is similar to the tread life you are seeing.

Because of the tire splicing on 3 out of 4 tires, I will be cautious and swap out tires before this weekend!

bigjae1976 · 03-08-2013, 09:34 AM

I would like to hear what tracks this is happening at. I think the track surface and its condition plays a role in the splicing.

1MOREMOD · 03-08-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I would like to hear what tracks this is happening at. I think the track surface and its condition plays a role in the splicing.

could be my first day was at pacific raceways which has a very rough surface although my second day was at the ridge and that is a brand new surface that is perfect.

ortho281 · 03-08-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I would like to hear what tracks this is happening at. I think the track surface and its condition plays a role in the splicing.

As you already know for me MSRH and MSRC. Splicing first showed up 3rd day at MSRH.

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