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Personal preference I guess. I’m just too anal and don’t want something that has been torn apart and put back together by someone who may simply want to get it done as quick as possible. You’ll never know if all the bolts were torques properly, if there are broken hoses hiding around, broken clips, etc etc. that’s just me though
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Ok so here is what you should do.
1: Buy an S65 or even an S85. 2: Swap it into the M4. 3: Go bankrupt. 4: Who gives a shit if you're broke you get to listen to redline heaven all day. |
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what's the story behind the e92 zcp that went back? the most likely situation that comes to mind is ... problem with financing and the dealer had to take the car back?
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The F80 better be fast and blingy because that's all its got. Otherwise I'll give it to you, it could use help in some areas and is not cheap at all if you're making a complete package. However, I'll take an E90 with all of those issues addressed over a fully sorted F80 because at the end of the day you can't fix what's broken on the F80. Can't find character and feel in a parts bin. |
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Funny, as I was driving my E90 M3 this whole past week, today I jumped in my F80 and I came to the conclusion the E9x almost has "too much" feedback coming through the steering wheel. It can sometimes be a bit much as a daily driver. The F80 has plenty of steering feel and I think it's tuned "just right" with the amount of feedback vs. road conditions.
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I had a 2017 M3 comp pack for 3 yrs. yes it fast, but doesn't provide near the driving experience the e92 does. The steering is precise, but has pretty much zero feel. The e92 feels like a much better built car. The F80 creaked and cracked over every bump. And well...V8.
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I find that observation very true, having owned 3 E9x M3s, currently own an E90 M3 and my F80, the cars are just too different every time they evolve to be directly compared. The E9x is like a refined GT350, the F8x is like refined GT-R. To say one is better because of this and that is just silly. I sold both my E92 M3s within a year of ownership because the honeymoon phase died quickly for me, I liked the cars but I just never fell in love with them and a HUGE part of it was the DCT. No matter how good the DCT is, strapped to the S65 I think it just zapped away all the enjoyment and soul of that motor. It's like strapping an automatic to a DC2 Type R or Honda S2000. Yes, Ferraris and Porsches use dual-clutch automatics but those cars are actually fast, if you're not winning any straight line races, might as well stick with a manual for enjoyment. After picking up my E90 M3 with a proper 6MT, I finally understand what all the hype is about. Revving it to 8k plus, then ripping through the gears manually, hearing that motor scream, then grabbing another gear. The experience is next level, super visceral and rewarding, it gives me goosebumps every time which I NEVER experienced driving my DCT equipped E92 M3s. While my F80 doesn't give me the same aural experience, it's downright hilariously fun in a different way. Having my body pinned to the seat while violently blasting to triple-digit speeds with relentless power and torque, razor-sharp steering in a perfectly balanced chassis, super rewarding to drive as well. I've owned my F80 for over 2 years now and it's actually the longest I've ever kept a car, I don't picture myself ever selling it. I've had a lot of people ask me which of my M3s do I love most, my E92s or my F80 and it was a simple answer before. F80 all day every day. Now that I own an E9x M3 with a proper transmission, the decision just got a lot tougher... Last edited by DanMpower; 05-29-2020 at 04:03 AM.. |
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Which means ... who built it ?? A BMW engine is not the same as the engine from BMW. And remanufactured motors from BMW are not cheap. A dealer will not want to lose money on the sale of a used car. So I highly doubt they will want to go thru the expense of putting a factory motor in ... no way they can turn a profit on that. That's not to say that aftermarket engine builders are bad. There are good ones. But a factory reman motor for a used car sale ... hmmmm ... the only scenario for this would be a car under the original or extended factory warranty bought at either the first in service date OR before the original factory warranty expires . All E9X M3s now will be outside the original warranty. |
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The S65 was quite literally made for the DCT, and I feel it allows you to get the most out of the engine. I’m a manual guy (wouldn’t take an E46 or GT3 any other way!) but I have no desire to match an oddly geared 6MT to this heavy, torqueless car. Sure it’s fun as well and I wouldn’t kick one out of the garage, but hardly a match made in heaven. Even less desire for an F8xM, regardless of spec. To each their own. Last edited by wyatth; 05-29-2020 at 10:26 PM.. |
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why yes
when you only leave out a few crumbs you said the car "went back" so there are only so many possibilities
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i hear this said often, I can only imagine you’ve never actually driven a manual paired with the S65.
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#1 can be addressed by using FCPEuro's oil change kits and sending the used oil back to them (crazy as that sounds, they allow it) Plus, even if you did all of those changes, it would not amount to 10k if you shopped around. |
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I can't speak for anyone else but I'm also a hardcore save the manuals guy. I have the stupid shirt, too. I've never owned a car without a clutch pedal before my e92 M3. I searched a long while for the right spec M. Drove manuals and DCT. Ultimately I landed with a DCT and I'm super happy. Sure my left foot gets bored but the DCT is just an amazing transmission. |
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