Track forum general chit chat.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by SQ13

I usually spend first session adjusting to the car, track, and conditions. I’ll have to be especially careful at COTA on Friday, since it’ll be my first time on track in 11 months..and in the dark....

I usually do that first session to make sure nothing is in position to break apart. Listen and feel for things. That's what I did at laguna. Felt like something was gonna break. Then next session it did break. Send it. Lol

[Grip Addict]

Anyone else notice no one wears race gloves at dragstrips or roll race events?

I am the type of guy who gets sweaty palms and being in a helmet+gloves gets you in the mindset much like a suit for a job interview.

[Shmelgy]

Got some weights for you guys:

Geoff Steel carbon doors- 12lbs
E36 mirrors- 1lb
Stock gutted door- 30lbs

These were all weighed by me holding them on the scale and subtracting my weight, so not accurate down to the ounce.

[Richbot]

That’s great and all but what does that sideboard weigh

[kyippee]

Umm fuck all our cars, did you all just hear them say the new C8 corvette will start at under 60k?

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Umm fuck all our cars, did you all just hear them say the new C8 corvette will start at under 60k?

With this and now Mustangs having a ton of power, decent cooling, brakes, and DCTs, they make the M3/M4 look like a giant rip off.

[roastbeef]

M4 never made the performance leap it needed to stay relevant.

[elim11]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Umm fuck all our cars, did you all just hear them say the new C8 corvette will start at under 60k?

I live right across from the Tustin Hangars where they are unveiling the new corvette. I've been trying to poke my head in, but they have heavy security guarding all entrances. On my way home today I saw a huge line of corvette owners parked and waiting to get in.

Based on the stats, looks like it will be a beast for sure. I'll listen around if I hear any cars ripping around on the street.

[ThunderMoose]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Umm fuck all our cars, did you all just hear them say the new C8 corvette will start at under 60k?

I rarely see any M3 variation outpace even a C5 or C6 at the track. If you want to be on the pointy end, vettes have always been the car to get.

[roastbeef]

I have to say, it looks a lot better than the renderings. It's like a Ferrari f430 banged a Camaro and it didn't get the ugly genes of the camaro.

[admranger]

Originally Posted by dbyrd

COTA has developed a few large bumps that might initially catch you off-guard in the dark.

Between 9-10 at track out from 9.

Inside of turn 18 at the end of the carousel. I used to set up for this last apex, but now, I displace it. If you set it up correctly, you can still be setup well for 19.

I instruct for Edge Addicts, but unfortunately, I can't make it. Let us know how it goes!

Not great places for bumps. Is the big one in the braking zone for 11 still there?

[admranger]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

I have to say, it looks a lot better than the renderings. It's like a Ferrari f430 banged a Camaro and it didn't get the ugly genes of the camaro.

Cars shouldn’t drink heavily late at night. These things can be avoided.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

I have to say, it looks a lot better than the renderings. It's like a Ferrari f430 banged a Camaro and it didn't get the ugly genes of the camaro.

Spot on analysis! Now if we can put an F430 engine in it I'd be psyched.

[CorruptCommie]

Business in the front, party in the back. The 2020 Chevy Mullet C8.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

M4 never made the performance leap it needed to stay relevant.

I disagree. Second weekend at the Glen with the M3 CS with camber plates and RE71s on stock wheels (255 front, 275 rear) we got a 2:02 theoretical.

In straights it keeps up with 991.2 gt3s. Basically, it's fast as hell. Data acquisition doesn't lie.

I'm a huge, huge lover of the E9X chassis and engine but there's no denying there is a massive leap between them in terms of speed. Not as big as the E46 to E9X but still big.

Picking off gt3s is too easy now. I almost feel bad we're moving to mcs suspension and r1 tires... almost.


We have SoloDLs on the E90 and the CS. The CS does with RE71s, track pads and camber plates the same thing the E90 does with MCS 3 way suspension and R1 tires. When you put both fast laps in the same graph the difference in speed is significant. I don't want to post it because I love the E9X too much

Hopefully the stroker in the E90 can close the straight line gap and we can get a sub 2 min theoretical with interior and no aero.

[XKxRome0ox]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Umm fuck all our cars, did you all just hear them say the new C8 corvette will start at under 60k?

is this the first time the corvette is made with mid engine?
will probably have to get one in the future

[roastbeef]

1/2 way done. That last one on the passenger side sucks! 30k on these.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by kpewpew

Umm fuck all our cars, did you all just hear them say the new C8 corvette will start at under 60k?

Originally Posted by Ximian

With this and now Mustangs having a ton of power, decent cooling, brakes, and DCTs, they make the M3/M4 look like a giant rip off.

Those are bold claims. It's been many years of cars theoretically tearing the M3s a new one, yet you grid in AER and 90% of the cars are BMWs.

Let's see it actually happen, consistently and reliably, before making bold assumptions

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Those are bold claims. It's been many years of cars theoretically tearing the M3s a new one, yet you grid in AER and 90% of the cars are BMWs.

Let's see it actually happen, consistently and reliably, before making bold assumptions

It's not a bold assumption as the numbers are out in plain sight. The 2020 M4 has 425 HP, 0-60 MPH in 4.1 seconds and starts at 70k. That's a base model.

The Mustang GT350R (with carbon fiber wheels) starts at 68k. You'll need an M4 GTS to be quicker than it around most tracks.

If the C8 Corvette Stringray can do 0-60 MPH in 3 seconds with the "Z51" package, that's on a whole different level than even the M4 GTS.

It would be nice if this competition caused BMW to improve performance or the price, but that's unlikely.

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by admranger

Not great places for bumps. Is the big one in the braking zone for 11 still there?

I’ve been there ~10x since October and haven’t noticed anything major in the braking zone for 11, maybe that one was fixed previously?

The two that dbyrd mentioned can be pretty unsettling. Think one is developing between 1 & 2 as well that seems like could eventually be pretty ugly.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Ximian

It's not a bold assumption as the numbers are out in plain sight. The 2020 M4 has 425 HP, 0-60 MPH in 4.1 seconds and starts at 70k. That's a base model.

The Mustang GT350R (with carbon fiber wheels) starts at 68k. You'll need an M4 GTS to be quicker than it around most tracks.

If the C8 Corvette Stringray can do 0-60 MPH in 3 seconds with the "Z51" package, that's on a whole different level than even the M4 GTS.

It would be nice if this competition caused BMW to improve performance or the price, but that's unlikely.

I have no idea why you're quoting 0-60 times. This is the track subforum, not the drag racing one.

That American car manufacturers are now selling cars with 305 PSC2 tires up front, which is nice to generate big numbers and good Lightning Lap times. In the real world though the only thing that's happened is they've put the set of wheels BMW owners would use in track days onto their cars stock.
So in a track setting, the GTS is not going to run the tires it used in a Lightning Lap. Meanwhile on the street it will have regular, nicely dimensioned tires instead of 305 width stupidities which make you tramline on every single road


In terms of the GT350 with 'carbon fiber wheels', I could not care less. So if a GTS is really slow but it has a carbon hood and carbon wheels how is that relevant? The GTS has a carbon hood, composite trunk. Who cares? I care about the result, not the excel spreadsheet with the data.

American car manufacturers have to stop 'checking the box' with dry sump oil systems that allow oil starvation at the track, with flat plane engines that are heaps of cow manure and consume oil like two stroke engines and blow up on their own and with cars that have diff and tranny oil coolers but still overheat using stock tires and instead properly engineer their cars.

Although the GT350R is an ally in the battle against Porsches I would not expect one to be faster than a M3 CS, forget about a GTS.


Lastly, I will pray to the Car God tonight that BMW does not read your post, because I would be pretty disappointed if they make the next M3 with a complete piece of shit engine like the GT350 has, that consumes quart after quart of oil the way a desert sucks up water and blows up left right and center.

[roastbeef]

30k and a handful of track days. No weird residue people claim liqui moly ceratec leaves, either.