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So where is my reply?
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http://www.iwsti.com/forums/water-me...n-systems.html I can't possibly predict how much power you can gain by going with the Procede/pwm meth combo. Any number that I suggest would be nothing more than a guess. And I'd rather not do that given the fact that i have not come across a car with a set-up anything close to yours. |
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so can you PM me a price on your meth kit? I just want it for cooling purpose only
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very nice gains!
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Pics, pricing, and availability?
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09-24-2011, 05:51 PM | #28 | |
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I had the greatest time driving the car back home lastnight! Every touch of the throttle dropped the IAT as if it were a cool fall morning... Drove 14 hrs straight, was amazed in the difference this system made, i couldn't stop for a rest, was having a hell of a time with the car!! Was expecting to see @20HP from the IAT drop and @10HP with an IGN tweak, the procede and PWM meth already exceeded my expectations.. Install was quick, clean and easy. The motor is definately wanting and needing more boost, can not wait to get my hands on a smaller pulley Another great product shiv Cheers, Chuck |
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09-24-2011, 05:57 PM | #29 |
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well after my studying from last night.
I think the price should land somewhere from $700-$1000USD because on the N54/55 there is an additional pipe that is needed. $700 is just for the kit itself. Aquamist sells their own kit fo $900 so.... my question now is when can this be delivered I'm very curious to try it out of my boosted M3
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So what you will need is: -Procede engine tuning computer. This can either be used instead of, or with, a reflashed DME that you already may have. The end result will be essentially the same either way. It remaps fuel, timing, eliminates speed limiter, removes cat inefficiency CELs, reads/clear codes, enables in-dash gauges, etc,. For n54/n55s, this unit costs $945. The M3 version's price is yet to be determined. -Associated Methanol Injection hardware. This includes all the custom bits that we source from Aquamist. We do not use their controller or failsafe box since the Procede covers these functions while integrating with the tune. For n54/n55, this costs $1075 but that includes a charge pipe which will not be needed in the m3. So the price will be adjusted accordingly. If you just want a meth kit and don't want a device to re-tune your engine when meth is flowing, you can simply purchase a kit from Aquamist. It will have it's own controller which will meter meth based upon injection DC. They work very well. But since it isn't a tuning device, you will not get the same gains/functionality as you would get with a Procede doing all the brain work. Those are essentially your options. Hope that helps... Cheers shiv |
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09-24-2011, 07:23 PM | #32 |
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For forced induction, where you have a tune that changes AFR and/or timing when the meth is flowing and increasing octane like race gas would, it is nice to have the tune operate only when the meth is operating. This is almost more important with the supercharger than with the turbo. You can set up an Aquamist failsafe to drop boost on an electronic boost controller regulating boost on a turbo. However, you cannot set up an Aquamist failsafe to change ths supercharger pulley for lower boost if the meth goes out. The Procede is nicely integrated.
On the other hand, the stock ECU will take some advantage of race gas, so simply adding an Aquamist on a naturally aspirated car should provide some gains. Ideally, you would take full advantage of whatever extra octane you have, and that may be beyond the range of the stock ECU when meth is flowing -- which would make the integrated meth and tune the best way to go. I am also not sure how immediately the stock ECU adapts to the higher octane of meth or race gas. |
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To clarify, the Procede actually holds a nearly infinite number map calibrations. This is because I calibrate two maps. One to represent the least aggressive tune I ever want to see active. And the second to represent the most aggressive tune I want to see active. The Procede will then "slide" smoothly between the two settings as a function of average knock retard and/or methanol flow. Essentially making it a feed-forward system that is adaptive to current conditions. What this means in simple terms (on an NA car) is that when meth isn't flowing, it runs a basic pump-gas only tune which means slightly leaner up top with a couple degrees more advance (worth about 15-20whp). And as meth starts to flow and reach the max flow rate (as dictated in the meth flow map), the Procede transitions to the aggressive side of the range. Of course, there is also a completely stock "pass-through" mode that you can select that applies no tuning changes if the need arises. Maps are switched through the cruise control stalk and displayed on the tachometer Cheers Shiv |
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I'll go buy a kit if you can insure me a hassle free smog check every 2 years that won't cost me an arm and a leg...
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someone needs to jump on this offer.
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I'm just interested in the Meth kit!
but that is only like 1/2 kit for what Shiv is talking about. So I guess I have to get a Aquamist. If I have to play around with my original tune from Gintani I highly won't do that, to me its too much of a risk involved. in theory its all good but you never know what happens. It kind of like saying if you running a VT625 7.5pSI and add this kit changing another pulley using a different tune to go 8.5psi or 9 psi. how does it mess with the warranty of a ESS supercharger or a Gpower or Gintani for say?! what happens if the engine pops who's fault is it then? Not saying its not a good product , its just me 2 cents.
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Great work!
The huge gains show how much timing is being pulled out due to the hotter intake charge. The meth is going to make a much more significant difference on a boosted car than an N/A car. I'm still excited to put this on my car without a blower.
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I need the following information for the Dyno Database:
What are the other performance modifications to the car? Is the car catless? Primary cat delete? Secondary cat delete? XPipe? Exhaust? Etc. I assume gasoline was 91 octane for California. DCT or 6MT? |
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Yup....
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- Log your AFR with the S/C map (Lets say 12.5afr for example) - Enable procede with meth and WITHOUT any fuel/timing changes and see how much the meth drops the AFR (lets say 11.7afr with meth). - Then you use procede to lean the car back to your original AFR (12.5) and DO NOT TOUCH TIMING. I'm have a decent amount of experience with the Aquamist kits and I have to say they are GREAT... I'm very close to installing a kit on my ESS VT2 600 M3 for cooling IAT's purposes only but I'm really thinking about Shiv's setup!!! What do you guys think? |
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