Alfa Romeo Giulia

[OneMmmm]

Saw the reveal today. Confirmed 7:39 Nurburgring lap time. 191mph top speed. 0-60 in 3.8.

Reliability will probably make me beg for the days I worried about rod bearings... but I think I'll take the plunge and own an Alfa if they can deliver everything presented today.

Anyone else following this car?

[dragonsi]

What excites me the most about this car is that the curb weight will be under 3400 lbs. Besides the big unknown around reliability, I'm curiously looking forward to how it drives. Will drivers need to be as cautious with the throttle like the new F80 M3?

[OneMmmm]

Originally Posted by dragonsi

What excites me the most about this car is that the curb weight will be under 3400 lbs. Besides the big unknown around reliability, I'm curiously looking forward to how it drives. Will drivers need to be as cautious with the throttle like the new F80 M3?

Bad news on that front -- the reveal listed curb weight @ 3600 lbs. Still reasonable to us E9X M3 owners

[dragonsi]

Originally Posted by OneMmmm

Bad news on that front -- the reveal listed curb weight @ 3600 lbs. Still reasonable to us E9X M3 owners

Whaaaat, they hyped it up that it was going to be sub 3400lbs!

[AreOut]

maybe base Gulia will be 3400 but not with this engine

reliability isn't a concern with new Alfas anymore judging by owners but you never know with new model...

[BRBM]

Originally Posted by OneMmmm

Saw the reveal today. Confirmed 7:39 Nurburgring lap time. 191mph top speed. 0-60 in 3.8.

Reliability will probably make me beg for the days I worried about rod bearings... but I think I'll take the plunge and own an Alfa if they can deliver everything presented today.

Anyone else following this car?

Yes, absolutely following it (in hi-performance Quadrofoglio trim), especially 'cause it reminds me of several years spent in Italy; had entirely too much damn fun. And I'm getting nostalgic.........

.......The frequent summer trips to Jesolo & Rimini Beaches and/or Caneva Sport Water Park. (Believe me; topless is cool to the Euros.) Venice during Carnivale'. Serie A soccer games. The Palladium night club. Catching Italian cruise ships from Cagliari to wherever. Hi-speed blasts up & down the Autostrada to the Milano airport (Yup, they had unlimited sections like the Autobahn). Alfa Romeo 75s and Fiat Cinquecentos a dime-a-dozen; everywhere you looked. Oh, those wild & crazy days.

Yet, suddenly I'm more excited than before after skimming thru this LA Auto Show C&D piece, where I see some of the info you've provided: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/us-...-and-info-news

So, while you make a very good point re: reliability, part of me hopes and prays that some trickled-down quality & solidity comes from their traditional sidekicks - Maserati & Ferrari. Not that either is considered all that great in those areas, but it would add some level of comfort.

And not to be too much of spoiler, but get this excerpt: "The beefcake Giulia carries a 505-hp, 2.9-liter, direct-injected, 90-degree V-6 derived from the Ferrari 488GTB’s engine. Whereas the mid-engined V-8 ripper from Maranello makes 661 horsepower, the Alfa squeezes roughly 1 more horsepower from each cylinder than the Ferrari does, utilizing 35 psi of peak boost.

• Ferrari tuned 2.9? (I'm not complainin')
• From the 488, no less? (Aw damn)
• With 35 psi of boost!? (They done lost their minds. I've never seen anyone go higher than 25; most apply mid/upper teen to low 20s levels.)
• Is that design - inside & out - and the profile not absolutely stunning?! (Dare I say hot & sexy, but not necessarily totally girly. Sorry ladies; think Infiniti G35.....looks equally good on a male or female driver.)

Well, I'm impressed at what we see so far; the 'test of time' soon to come. Now, off to finish the article.

[OneMmmm]

Originally Posted by BRBM

And not to be too much of spoiler, but get this excerpt: The beefcake Giulia carries a 505-hp, 2.9-liter, direct-injected, 90-degree V-6 derived from the Ferrari 488GTB’s engine. Whereas the mid-engined V-8 ripper from Maranello makes 661 horsepower, the Alfa squeezes roughly 1 more horsepower from each cylinder than the Ferrari does, utilizing 35 psi of peak boost

Here are some more details to get you excited:

• 174 hp per liter -- That's nearly 5 more than the 488 GTB
• 7 lbs/1 hp -- 488 GTB takes the cake here @ 4.6 lbs/1hp

For those interested, full reveal can be watched here with even more details: http://livestream.com/FCALive/AlfaRomeoLAAutoShow2015

[dragonsi]

Wow 35psi!!

Originally Posted by BRBM

Yes, absolutely following it (in hi-performance Quadrofoglio trim), especially 'cause it reminds me of several years spent in Italy; had entirely too much damn fun. And I'm getting nostalgic.........

.......The frequent summer trips to Jesolo & Rimini Beaches and/or Caneva Sport Water Park. (Believe me; topless is cool to the Euros.) Venice during Carnivale'. Serie A soccer games. The Palladium night club. Catching Italian cruise ships from Cagliari to wherever. Hi-speed blasts up & down the Autostrada to the Milano airport (Yup, they had unlimited sections like the Autobahn). Alfa Romeo 75s and Fiat Cinquecentos a dime-a-dozen; everywhere you looked. Oh, those wild & crazy days.

Yet, suddenly I'm more excited than before after skimming thru this LA Auto Show C&D piece, where I see some of the info you've provided: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/us-...-and-info-news

So, while you make a very good point re: reliability, part of me hopes and prays that some trickled-down quality & solidity comes from their traditional sidekicks - Maserati & Ferrari. Not that either is considered all that great in those areas, but it would add some level of comfort.

And not to be too much of spoiler, but get this excerpt: "The beefcake Giulia carries a 505-hp, 2.9-liter, direct-injected, 90-degree V-6 derived from the Ferrari 488GTB’s engine. Whereas the mid-engined V-8 ripper from Maranello makes 661 horsepower, the Alfa squeezes roughly 1 more horsepower from each cylinder than the Ferrari does, utilizing 35 psi of peak boost.

• Ferrari tuned 2.9? (I'm not complainin')
• From the 488, no less? (Aw damn)
• With 35 psi of boost!? (They done lost their minds. I've never seen anyone go higher than 25; most apply mid/upper teen to low 20s levels.)
• Is that design - inside & out - and the profile not absolutely stunning?! (Dare I say hot & sexy, but not necessarily totally girly. Sorry ladies; think Infiniti G35.....looks equally good on a male or female driver.)

Well, I'm impressed at what we see so far; the 'test of time' soon to come. Now, off to finish the article.

[dparm]

It's a bit weird looking from certain angles, but other than that:

[BRBM]

Originally Posted by OneMmmm

Here are some more details to get you excited:

• 174 hp per liter -- That's nearly 5 more than the 488 GTB
• 7 lbs/1 hp -- 488 GTB takes the cake here @ 4.6 lbs/1hp

For those interested, full reveal can be watched here with even more details: http://livestream.com/FCALive/AlfaRomeoLAAutoShow2015

Nice details.......thanks for the link, too.

And not to muck up the thread, but Jaguar's new XE S - with a SC'd 3.0 V-6 with mid 300s hp/torque, 4.5 sec. 0-60 time........reportedly has a great chassis/handling dynamics akin to an M3/4 or ATS-V, albeit the not the hi-performance XE R model. So, assuming Jag joins the fray, competition in the little hot luxury sedan class is heating up quite nicely, no pun intended.

Fine with us.

Originally Posted by dragonsi

Wow 35psi!!

Yeah, bruh; 30-freaking-5. Think it was a typo? Nah.

But answer me this, either or both of you, please. As with engines that rev really high that are said to have a shorter lifespan than those topping out in the 6,000-7,000 range - assuming that's true in my limited gearhead knowledge............does the 35 psi have any adverse affect?

Again, never seen that much used, so there must be a reason most mfgs. limit themselves to 25 or so, it stands to reason.

In fact, can someone in the Bimmerpost Nation educate me, please? Thank you boys & girls.

[dragonsi]

I don't think it has much adverse affect relative to a car's redline. With that much psi, I would think that the compression ratio is really low - so the torque must be pretty low until you build boost. But who knows, I don't know how far turbo technology has come... Also I know that 35 psi would be a lot for a turbo with an internal wastegate to handle (how they come on factory turbo'd cars). So maybe it's using external wastegates?

Originally Posted by BRBM

Nice details.......thanks for the link, too.

And not to muck up the thread, but Jaguar's new XE S - with a SC'd 3.0 V-6 with mid 300s hp/torque, 4.5 sec. 0-60 time........reportedly has a great chassis/handling dynamics akin to an M3/4 or ATS-V, albeit the not the hi-performance XE R model. So, assuming Jag joins the fray, competition in the little hot luxury sedan class is heating up quite nicely, no pun intended.

Fine with us.



Yeah, bruh; 30-freaking-5. Think it was a typo? Nah.

But answer me this, either or both of you, please. As with engines that rev really high that are said to have a shorter lifespan than those topping out in the 6,000-7,000 range - assuming that's true in my limited gearhead knowledge............does the 35 psi have any adverse affect?

Again, never seen that much used, so there must be a reason most mfgs. limit themselves to 25 or so, it stands to reason.

In fact, can someone in the Bimmerpost Nation educate me, please? Thank you boys & girls.

[BRBM]

Originally Posted by dragonsi

I don't think it has much adverse affect relative to a car's redline. With that much psi, I would think that the compression ratio is really low - so the torque must be pretty low until you build boost. But who knows, I don't know how far turbo technology has come... Also I know that 35 psi would be a lot for a turbo with an internal wastegate to handle (how they come on factory turbo'd cars). So maybe it's using external wastegates?

Understood......thanks. We'll see what magic Ferrari is able to work,as their engine builders are pretty good, needless to say.

[See5]

I don't think its a true 35psi. The Europeans tend to do something funky with their number like start at 1bar then add whatever boost the turbo produces to that total. It's probably more like 20-25psi. Still badass though.

[mxa121]

THIS THREAD NEEDS SOME PICS

[JoePcone]

I absolutely love this car's looks and performance. Very interested in owning one, one day.

[OneMmmm]

Thanks for posting those pics mxa121

Absolutely love the interior of this car!!! Curious to see how much the carbon fiber buckets will cost

[BRBM]

Originally Posted by OneMmmm

Thanks for posting those pics mxa121

Absolutely love the interior of this car!!! Curious to see how much the carbon fiber buckets will cost

Yes, indeed.....thanks again, mxa121, for taking charge.

Nice overall design by Alfa, especially the interior touches, and we needed to see those pics.

[aus]

It sounds SO MUCH better than the F8x too.

Any info on transmission choices?

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[aus]

Most stuff is standard too.

https://www.alfaromeousa.com/content..._Giulia_FA.pdf

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[Honda]

The front of the car is really ugly ...kind of a deal breaker to me

[1MOREMOD]

Looks like a g6 with busted face, had no idea what car we were talking about and got excited until saw that.

[OneMmmm]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Looks like a g6 with busted face, had no idea what car we were talking about and got excited until saw that.

I do think the F8X is a better looking car, but I don't find this ugly. Curious to see how it drives, but specs indicate it should be an easy choice when shopping against a new M3/4.