HELP!!! M3 will not start COLD unless i disconnect battery for 10-20 minutes.

JRV · 02-02-2017, 09:45 AM

Did you check what Mike was showing above? Also here is the info on the recall you asked about RECALL 0061400400 B612616 Technical Campaign-Battery Cable

Sneaky Pete · 02-02-2017, 10:09 AM

If the problem is with the battery lead connection to the fuse box (as in the recall noted above)...it can sometimes be confirmed by moving the loom around in the fuse box area (passenger side footwell in RHD cars) which then allows the car to start.

crnxsc · 02-22-2017, 03:08 PM

There is an open recall on this issue, but this would not show up on the BMW USA website as this issue has been brought it up in less than 2 weeks.

If you call a dealer and give them your VIN number, they will know it. Calling BMW NA does not help.

jc68 · 05-07-2017, 09:40 PM

I just found out my MY2012 (October 2011 built) is also part of the technical campaign B61 26 16, it's not a recall. For those that had this done, does it involve replacing the battery cable from the fuse box in the dash all the way to the battery in the trunk? I hope not, prefer not to have my car taken apart to this extent.

6ixSpd · 05-07-2017, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jc68

I just found out my MY2012 (October 2011 built) is also part of the technical campaign B61 26 16, it's not a recall. For those that had this done, does it involve replacing the battery cable from the fuse box in the dash all the way to the battery in the trunk? I hope not, prefer not to have my car taken apart to this extent.

No, they cut off about 1 ft. of power cable wire by the glove box and install the new style connector and new wire. The fuse box is replaced if necessary.

hertstints · 09-10-2017, 12:34 PM

hi guys, i am having exactly the same issue, have to disconnect the battery for a few mins and then the car will start in the mornings, did you manage to find a solution to these problems.. any help of guidence will be much appreciated

hertstints · 09-10-2017, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

I would answer the question I posted above. I bet you it's the connections by the power terminal - one of the posts is hooked up wrong.

hi i am having the same issue at the min, have just read you mentioned cables related to the power terminals, are these power terminals in the engine bay or the boot where the battery is?

4130 · 09-10-2017, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hertstints

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Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

I would answer the question I posted above. I bet you it's the connections by the power terminal - one of the posts is hooked up wrong.

hi i am having the same issue at the min, have just read you mentioned cables related to the power terminals, are these power terminals in the engine bay or the boot where the battery is?

That's the engine bay. Notice the red plastic battery terminal cover and the strut brace.

GORDON.M3 · 09-12-2017, 12:45 AM

So my car was having this issue before, the TVA's were acting up.
It was serviced at the dealer and it was noted that the Ground Wires needed replacing.

Not sure but maybe you could look into that.

Namarillo · 02-12-2018, 07:10 AM

Hi guys.... same problem with my car, with a difference.... it only happens when I travel to another city (different altitude, ergo atmospheric pressure).

I'll get a voltmeter and monitoring battery under all conditions.

What's the purpose of the "IBS ground battery cable"?

Drv4fun · 02-12-2018, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Namarillo

Hi guys.... same problem with my car, with a difference.... it only happens when I travel to another city (different altitude, ergo atmospheric pressure).

I'll get a voltmeter and monitoring battery under all conditions.

What's the purpose of the "IBS ground battery cable"?

https://www.bimmerscan.com/bmw-intelligent-battery-sensor-ibs/

AWDBooSTIn90 · 02-15-2018, 03:49 PM

Can the IBS Terminal be bypassed for testing its condition?

Does disconnecting the IBS's BSD Cable (in the trunk - 2 wire connector), bypass the Functions of the IBS and it's ability to shut down electronics in the car?

The BSD cable im talking about, is how the the IBS communicates with the car. It stands for Bit Serial Data and it goes directly from the IBS to the DME. The DME will use this info from the IBS, to determine the Batteries State of Charge(SoC), Batteries condition, necessary charging voltage, and the amount of battery charge left to ensure the engine will start. The Yellow Battery Warning Symbol will show up in the gauge cluster and will show Low Battery Charge Level, in the iDrive Screen.

The BSD is the only communication the IBS uses. The DME is responsible for taking that data and determining the required values stated above. This BSD Cable is a pair of thin blue/white wires running from the IBS, up with the main positive cable harness that goes up to the front of the car, to the JB/Fuse Box, and the BSD cables continues up to the DME.

Aussie M3 · 03-18-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BPMSport

That post must not be hooked up. I bet you the wire is going there instead. Check and report back. Positive wire on bottom post. If it's on the top that's your problem guaranteed. Rookie mechanic mistake.

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Originally Posted by BPMSport

That post must not be hooked up. I bet you the wire is going there instead. Check and report back. Positive wire on bottom post. If it's on the top that's your problem guaranteed. Rookie mechanic mistake.

Hi I have same issue did you find the fault?

Aussie M3 · 03-18-2019, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jaye92

Ok here is the long battle i have had with this car since i have had my Rod bearing Failure. I have recently gotten a new engine with only 10k miles with high performance bearings. Now i have a new issue seeing as my Car will not start if left overnight, it just brings up engine and traction warning lights on dash and idrive warns- reduced power, Engine malfunction , DSC, DBC. However if I disconnect the negative terminal for 20mins it starts perfectly and runs fine. If I turn car off and it is not warm anymore I will turn over and just die. I have replaced the DME and throttle actuators. I'm at a loss. Once the car is warm it runs fine. i can get gas and it will start right back up. the codes are trying to say its my throttle actuators but i took the ones off my old motor and put them in my new on and i have the same issue and i know that the ones in my old motor work because i never had the limp mode and when the car runs even the service light goes away. The code throws when i first try to start. Also the Throttle Actuators would not prevent the car from starting correct?

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Originally Posted by BPMSport

That post must not be hooked up. I bet you the wire is going there instead. Check and report back. Positive wire on bottom post. If it's on the top that's your problem guaranteed. Rookie mechanic mistake.

Hi what was the end fault you found to fix this problem?

650berg · 01-03-2023, 10:58 PM

Any updates on this yet? Has was the problem repaired?

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Sneaky Pete Second Lieutenant 94 Rep 293 Posts Drives: M car Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Wild blue yonder iTrader: (0)	If the problem is with the battery lead connection to the fuse box (as in the recall noted above)...it can sometimes be confirmed by moving the loom around in the fuse box area (passenger side footwell in RHD cars) which then allows the car to start.
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crnxsc New Member 0 Rep 18 Posts Drives: E92 M3 ZCP Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Recall Technical Campagin - Batter There is an open recall on this issue, but this would not show up on the BMW USA website as this issue has been brought it up in less than 2 weeks. If you call a dealer and give them your VIN number, they will know it. Calling BMW NA does not help.
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jc68 Private 3 Rep 63 Posts Drives: E92 M3 ZCP, F15 X5, 991.2 GT3 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	I just found out my MY2012 (October 2011 built) is also part of the technical campaign B61 26 16, it's not a recall. For those that had this done, does it involve replacing the battery cable from the fuse box in the dash all the way to the battery in the trunk? I hope not, prefer not to have my car taken apart to this extent.
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hertstints Registered 0 Rep 2 Posts Drives: bmw m3 convertible 2008 v8 Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: london iTrader: (0)	bmw e92 cold start issue hi guys, i am having exactly the same issue, have to disconnect the battery for a few mins and then the car will start in the mornings, did you manage to find a solution to these problems.. any help of guidence will be much appreciated
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GORDON.M3 Brigadier General 1423 Rep 3,001 Posts Drives: E92 M3 • F25 X3 M-Sport Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: LAX/YYZ/NRT iTrader: (11)	So my car was having this issue before, the TVA's were acting up. It was serviced at the dealer and it was noted that the Ground Wires needed replacing. Not sure but maybe you could look into that.
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Namarillo New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: M3 E46 2002 - M3 E93 2012 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Colombia iTrader: (0)	Hi guys.... same problem with my car, with a difference.... it only happens when I travel to another city (different altitude, ergo atmospheric pressure). I'll get a voltmeter and monitoring battery under all conditions. What's the purpose of the "IBS ground battery cable"? Last edited by Namarillo; 02-12-2018 at 10:03 AM..
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AWDBooSTIn90 Nomore 149 Rep 793 Posts Drives: 335i Coupe 6MT N54 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Long Island iTrader: (1)	Can the IBS Terminal be bypassed for testing its condition? Does disconnecting the IBS's BSD Cable (in the trunk - 2 wire connector), bypass the Functions of the IBS and it's ability to shut down electronics in the car? The BSD cable im talking about, is how the the IBS communicates with the car. It stands for Bit Serial Data and it goes directly from the IBS to the DME. The DME will use this info from the IBS, to determine the Batteries State of Charge(SoC), Batteries condition, necessary charging voltage, and the amount of battery charge left to ensure the engine will start. The Yellow Battery Warning Symbol will show up in the gauge cluster and will show Low Battery Charge Level, in the iDrive Screen. The BSD is the only communication the IBS uses. The DME is responsible for taking that data and determining the required values stated above. This BSD Cable is a pair of thin blue/white wires running from the IBS, up with the main positive cable harness that goes up to the front of the car, to the JB/Fuse Box, and the BSD cables continues up to the DME.
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650berg Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: E36 M3, E46 M3, E90 M3, F87 M2 Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: AUS iTrader: (0)	Any updates on this yet? Has was the problem repaired?
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