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      09-29-2017, 10:01 AM   #441
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Welp I'm officially back in the E92 M Club. Just purchased a 2011 DCT Alpine White / Black ZCP with 21000 miles.
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Wow so the F8x was that bad for you to get back into an E9x? I wonder if they can get back on track with the G8x platform. I'm not holding my breath...
My lease ended on 7/31/2016, because of the airbag recall they extended it out until 01/31/2017. I was so worried that I wouldn't get the airbag recall in time to buy the car after the lease I seriously considered a 2017 ZCP car, it was gorgeous. I really didn't think it was a step up as far as enjoyment is concerned. The S65 and its powerband is so sublime in this car, not to mention I didn't feel like the interior was buttoned down as well as the E9X cars. It felt a little cheap in someways to my E92. It was definitely better in the eye candy but not in the feel of it.

BTW, I have 3 friends, a few on this board that have done the exact same thing. Sold their F8X cars and gotten back into a E9X M3.


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Its not that its bad. Its a different driving experience is the way I would put it. But if you thrive on sound and feel the E9x is the best all around M made IMO.
I agree with this... I wouldn't be quick to generalize the F8X as bad. Same can be said for the E9X M3 owners who jumped back into an E46 M3. There are just certain things from each M-car generation that are always going to appeal more to different owners.

Having said that, I would love to add and E90 M3 as a stablemate to my E46 M3 down the road. If I were to do something new off the current M lineup, I would probably take an M2 over the M4. It may not perform as well as the M4, but overall the car just appeals to me more.
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Welp I'm officially back in the E92 M Club. Just purchased a 2011 DCT Alpine White / Black ZCP with 21000 miles.
Welcome back

I've been saying this for years: at the end of the day, it's about the intangibles.
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      09-29-2017, 12:51 PM   #445
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I would have bought an F8X M3/4 IF they had put the 4.4 litre twin turbo v8 in it hands down. I can't stand the motor that they put in it.
I don't know. It would still sound pretty bad due to the turbo and you'd add a ton of weight

It's pretty awesome how light the F8X is compared to its competitors!
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I don't know. It would still sound pretty bad due to the turbo and you'd add a ton of weight

It's pretty awesome how light the F8X is compared to its competitors!
Only adds about 50 lbs but you'd be able to put it further behind the axle to keep weight distribution similar. Also while the s63 doesn't sound amazing it does at least sound interesting which the s55 struggles with
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I always thought the F8X cars were great cars but if upgrading meant losing my E90 I just couldn?t stomach it. If I could would do an M2 and keep my E90.
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I always thought the F8X cars were great cars but if upgrading meant losing my E90 I just couldn?t stomach it. If I could would do an M2 and keep my E90.
E9x > M3/M4 > M2. The M2 would be a serious downgrade IMO. Its just not special OR fast. At least the M3/M4 are fast.
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E9x > M3/M4 > M2. The M2 would be a serious downgrade IMO. Its just not special OR fast. At least the M3/M4 are fast.
I'm with you there.

I've driven the M2 on track and have one at home although it isn't mine.

The engine is even worse than the S55 as it's a tuned N55. It weighs as much as a M4. No CF roof, no M seats, no M hood... and yes, no M mirrors either. Why exactly should I like this?

Other than the cute proportions I see zero allure in the M2. Same story as the 1M Coupe by the way
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Gave an '18 M3 ZCP with 6mt a test drive while at the dealer getting my airbag done today. Came with the thought, "It's nice, it's just nice". Reminded of the 340i I test drove, which I came away with the same thoughts. Steering was just fine, wasn't anywhere near as bad as people make it, but nothing special. The engine was quick, sounded awesome when you fired it up (or at least loud), but only sounded fine everywhere else. Didn't really encourage you to run it out, just use the torque and get to the speed you want. Just like a 335i. Seats and seating position was excellent though, far superior to the E92. It came down to it being good, but nothing special. Like having my previous 335i pumped up and its flaws ironed out. Unlike the E92 where I got out thinking, "I got to get one of these".

Hopped back into my E92, felt like I was in the right place.
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E9x > M3/M4 > M2. The M2 would be a serious downgrade IMO. Its just not special OR fast. At least the M3/M4 are fast.
I can understand a M4 owner saying an M2 isn't fast... But a M2 is just as fast as an E92 M3. Faster if you go mod for mod.
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I can understand a M4 owner saying an M2 isn't fast... But a M2 is just as fast as an E92 M3. Faster if you go mod for mod.
Yep a standard E92 M3 isn't fast either. Driving this car is more about enjoyment and the visceral feel from the engine/sound. My point was you were not getting a speed boost in the M2 like the M4 which helped counter the numbness. In the end it seems like quite a few M4 drivers are coming back to an E92.

I'de rather have an SC E92 than a bolt on M2. Probably 25k cheaper and definitely faster.

Lastly and my biggest gripe about the M2 is the interior. Its just awful IMO. My X1 has the same leather.
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Yep a standard E92 M3 isn't fast either. Driving this car is more about enjoyment and the visceral feel from the engine/sound. My point was you were not getting a speed boost in the M2 like the M4 which helped counter the numbness. In the end it seems like quite a few M4 drivers are coming back to an E92.

I'de rather have an SC E92 than a bolt on M2. Probably 25k cheaper and definitely faster.
I'd have to agree with you there. I've always questioned the statement people make, the e92 m3 is fast enough. Never understood that bc it really isn't that fast to me.

I guess some really enjoy the sound of a V8.
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I'd have to agree with you there. I've always questioned the statement people make, the e92 m3 is fast enough. Never understood that bc it really isn't that fast to me.

I guess some really enjoy the sound of a V8.
I mean I sold a FBO M4 to come back.. that should tell you something lol.

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I mean I sold a FBO M4 to come back.. that should tell you something lol.

haha. Nice car.

Maybe I just need more seat time in the M4 to fully understand. I guess all that toque gets old quick.
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haha. Nice car.

Maybe I just need more seat time in the M4 to fully understand. I guess all that toque gets old quick.
The torque does wear off and you cannot really use it on the street unless you wanna go to jail. In 1st/2nd its on ice skates even in stock form.

The other down side IMO is the steering feel. Its numb so its really hard to tell when you're at the limit even tho I probably couldn't get there.
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The torque does wear off and you cannot really use it on the street unless you wanna go to jail. In 1st/2nd its on ice skates even in stock form.

The other down side IMO is the steering feel. Its numb so its really hard to tell when you're at the limit even tho I probably couldn't get there.
Aaahh. I understand. I guess it comes down to the driver's preference. And if they want to fork out that extra money for some good grip in the M4. lol
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Regarding the speed of the F8x vs E9x, it is noticeably quicker. But side by side, the F8x has no sensation of speed behind it because of the torque. It felt like the typical turbo point and squirt driving style, so you end up going stupid fast and don't even know it. The E9x is very obvious because of the V8 you have to wring out, and it gives you the full sensation and noise behind the speed.

Kind of like Clarkson's comments on an Aston, "You think, "I'm going a million!", then you look down and go, "oh"."
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Lastly and my biggest gripe about the M2 is the interior. Its just awful IMO. My X1 has the same leather.
This is my biggest gripe about the M2, the quality, how BMW decided to cheap-out on so many aspects, from the engine, to the interior, to the mirrors.

Whenever this is brought up (especially if brought up on the F87 boards), we are told by M2 fanboys "you're missing the point", "oh, look, more M-elitist talk", "it's supposed to be a back to basics car", etc.

The thing is, people who blindly accept the cost-cutting are the ones missing the point. Even the M-cars of lore in their fantasy-nostalgia filled world were built with the best materials and with the best available features.
Sure it may seem petty to complain about seats and exterior mirrors when they don't objectively affect the driving experience, but owning an M-car is about the entire experience: not only how it makes you feel while you drive it, but how it makes you feel owning it, sitting in it, washing it, looking at it.
I absolutely love the little details like carbon-leather trim and M-aerodynamic mirrors. I absolutely love when i'm driving at night and catch a glimpse of the illuminated 6MT shift knob. When I got my first M-car (E46 M3), it was these little things that gave me a sense that M-cars are about performance AND quality (vs. a car that's only focused on performance like a Mitsubishi Evo). The trend continued with the E9x, built & crafted with passion where every detail was touched-on without being ostentatious.
It's the little things that when you're stuck in traffic, or taking photos of your car, or washing it on a Sunday afternoon, that you notice the details and really appreciate and think, "this is a special car".
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The M customer is unique and very demanding. The senses of a driver - of a customer in this case - have to be pleased.
And if you just give him whatever he is used to, he's very quickly bored.
You need to give him experiences and feelings, what he doesn't find in other cars.
With the M-cars, we try to touch all those senses so that the driving experience is a very emotional way of driving instead of just a piece of transportation.


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This is my biggest gripe about the M2, the quality, how BMW decided to cheap-out on so many aspects, from the engine, to the interior, to the mirrors.

Whenever this is brought up (especially if brought up on the F87 boards), we are told by M2 fanboys "you're missing the point", "oh, look, more M-elitist talk", "it's supposed to be a back to basics car", etc.

The thing is, people who blindly accept the cost-cutting are the ones missing the point. Even the M-cars of lore in their fantasy-nostalgia filled world were built with the best materials and with the best available features.
Sure it may seem petty to complain about seats and exterior mirrors when they don't objectively affect the driving experience, but owning an M-car is about the entire experience: not only how it makes you feel while you drive it, but how it makes you feel owning it, sitting in it, washing it, looking at it.
I absolutely love the little details like carbon-leather trim and M-aerodynamic mirrors. I absolutely love when i'm driving at night and catch a glimpse of the illuminated 6MT shift knob. When I got my first M-car (E46 M3), it was these little things that gave me a sense that M-cars are about performance AND quality (vs. a car that's only focused on performance like a Mitsubishi Evo). The trend continued with the E9x, built & crafted with passion where every detail was touched-on without being ostentatious.
It's the little things that when you're stuck in traffic, or taking photos of your car, or washing it on a Sunday afternoon, that you notice the details and really appreciate and think, "this is a special car".
Soo much this

The E46M may be ancient, but you got a domed hood, special mirrors, special rear view mirror, beautiful seats. E9X made us expect CF roofs in M cars, indeed the new M5 even has one!
I owned two 330Ci's prior to the E46M3 and it was incredible to see the attention to detail BMW had with the M3, way nicer details than the regular 330Ci.

The 1M and M2 so far have been 'tuned' engines with totally regular interiors.

Maybe I could warm up to an S55, but an N55? No way in hell.
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Just joined the forum. Had the chance to pickup an M4 but I really wanted the S65 motor.

So here I am with an E92...

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