Track forum general chit chat.

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by dparm

Fuck that. Trust your gut here -- if it feels shady, it's probably REALLY shady. Based on the above, it looks like they're overdue for a massive red flag fuck-up.

And yeah, why are there cars stopped on track with no yellow? (or really, a black flag so they can get a tow vehicle out there)

There are yellow flags (hard to see all the corner workers from certain angles) out for the parked cars in the videos above, but it seems few of the drivers, if any, bothered to slow down. That's when the organizers should have used a red flag.

A few extra minutes of track time isn't worth the risk.

[roastbeef]

Last year they had radicals and all these other time trials going on at the same time as a regular track day and it's bullshit. Too much going on at the same time. They need to back off the throttle with that or host multiple days and divide it up.

[AriuSen]

Originally Posted by Ximian

There are yellow flags (hard to see all the corner workers from certain angles) out for the parked cars in the videos above, but it seems few of the drivers, if any, bothered to slow down. That's when the organizers should have used a red flag.

A few extra minutes of track time isn't worth the risk.

I'll be honest. I didn't see any yellow flag lol. Flag station are too far and high

[redpriest]

Originally Posted by dparm

Fuck that. Trust your gut here -- if it feels shady, it's probably REALLY shady. Based on the above, it looks like they're overdue for a massive red flag fuck-up.

And yeah, why are there cars stopped on track with no yellow? (or really, a black flag so they can get a tow vehicle out there)

Because if they stopped the session every time someone went off, no one would get any track time, hahaha.

They do hot tows, with double waved yellows, etc. If someone hits a wall or is in a particularly bad spot they will black flag or red flag the session. It's up to the corner worker.

[nholmes]

lol

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by redpriest

Because if they stopped the session every time someone went off, no one would get any track time, hahaha.

They do hot tows, with double waved yellows, etc. If someone hits a wall or is in a particularly bad spot they will black flag or red flag the session. It's up to the corner worker.

Yes and there were plenty of red flags and double yellows.

There were yellow flags for the stopped cars but on the next couple of laps they're just there lap after lap. No need to slow at that point. On the first yellow I'll take note of where they are. I almost flew off corkscrew because yellow flag was really aggressive and I was looking all over the place to make sure they weren't stopped at the bottom of it.

[Shmelgy]

Something happened with my CAE shifter during a session on Friday, and people barely slowed down when they passed by me while I waited for a tow. I was right next to a flagger half way up the hill after turn 6, clearly saw a yellow flag waving the entire time and maybe 3 people slowed their pace.

Thankfully the guys from trinity were there to fix my problem and I was back out there the next session

[okusa]

Originally Posted by AriuSen

It was a total disaster. I'm starting to hate speed ventures.

Starting? I avoid them like the plague unless total desperation for speed sets in. Super high car count and 2 hours between sessions??? No thanks.

[Shmelgy]

Originally Posted by okusa

Starting? I avoid them like the plague unless total desperation for speed sets in. Super high car count and 2 hours between sessions??? No thanks.

Speeddistrict ftw

[Mantii]

That's why I love my local track. It's no Laguna Seca, but basically open lapping almost every weekend for $120 and enough track time for the wheels to fall off. Small lunch break at noon, otherwise drive all day if you want

[beats]

Originally Posted by Shmelgy

Totally agree. Not a big fan of speed ventures with these high car counts, but really wanted to hit Laguna. I've never seen so many accidents at a track before in my life (car to car, not just crashing into a wall)

Multiple car to car?? Wow. I have yet to witness one! That's really scary.

[redpriest]

Originally Posted by beats

Multiple car to car?? Wow. I have yet to witness one! That's really scary.

Part of the problem was there was a USTCC race being held this weekend during the speed ventures event, and they were using our HPDE sessions as practice ... while being really aggressive using blocking tactics, etc. Not all of them seem to have had the requisite experience either in terms of awareness.

I've had the same experience at NASA weekends when racers were using the advanced HPDE sessions as practice sessions as well.

[rhyary]

Originally Posted by Mantii

That's why I love my local track. It's no Laguna Seca, but basically open lapping almost every weekend for $120 and enough track time for the wheels to fall off. Small lunch break at noon, otherwise drive all day if you want

Exactly why I like NYST. Does not have the pedigree of Lime Rock Park or Watkins Glenn, but low cost, fun attitude and plenty of track time.

[Datka]

What a save at 180 mph

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by Datka

What a save at 180 mph

Wow, impressively handled. After the earlier videos of cars parked right of the track and this one, I think Le Mans style "slow zones" should be implemented everywhere for these types of incidents.

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by Mantii

That's why I love my local track. It's no Laguna Seca, but basically open lapping almost every weekend for $120 and enough track time for the wheels to fall off. Small lunch break at noon, otherwise drive all day if you want

Raceway Park of the Midlands? Looks like a fun track and the lack of concrete barriers at the end of heavy braking areas is awesome. How busy do they get on Saturdays?

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Shmelgy

Not only was it an amazing track, it was the most beautiful one I've been to. Definitely need to go back, and maybe with slicks

Ahem that was your second day!

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Ximian

Wow, impressively handled. After the earlier videos of cars parked right of the track and this one, I think Le Mans style "slow zones" should be implemented everywhere for these types of incidents.

Would be nice to have a spot to sit definitely.

[Mantii]

Originally Posted by Ximian

Raceway Park of the Midlands? Looks like a fun track and the lack of concrete barriers at the end of heavy braking areas is awesome. How busy do they get on Saturdays?

Yup, RPM just south of Omaha. Like you said, very safe and fun.

In order to run the full course, people need to be certified and do the one day school, which weeds out a portion of people. And because they run open lapping almost every weekend, unless orgs are running that weekend, I have never experienced it to be too busy and not able to have fun. Traffic is generally light which makes for good fun, safe and consistent lapping.

Ever been out there?

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by Mantii

Yup, RPM just south of Omaha. Like you said, very safe and fun.

In order to run the full course, people need to be certified and do the one day school, which weeds out a portion of people. And because they run open lapping almost every weekend, unless orgs are running that weekend, I have never experienced it to be too busy and not able to have fun. Traffic is generally light which makes for good fun, safe and consistent lapping.

Ever been out there?

Not yet. Brainerd is my home track at a little over two hours 2 hours away. RPM is the same distance away as Road America which I was planning on going to next, but I've been hearing less than stellar things about events at Road America. I'll have to make a weekend trip to Iowa soon.

[furry]

I'm prepping for my first potential track day and getting my brakes in order. I plan on swapping to dedicated track pads then switching back. I found PFC 06 front pads for a great price but can find the matching rears, do I need to match the front and rear pads exactly? Or can I run a slightly more aggressive rear pad vs the stock pads that or currently on there?

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by furry

I'm prepping for my first potential track day and getting my brakes in order. I plan on swapping to dedicated track pads then switching back. I found PFC 06 front pads for a great price but can find the matching rears, do I need to match the front and rear pads exactly? Or can I run a slightly more aggressive rear pad vs the stock pads that or currently on there?

Don't run a pad in the rear that is more aggressive than the front. This would result in weight transfer, potential rear lockup, and poor car control. Same pads f/r are generally acceptable.

If it's your first day, you're probably ok to just swap the fronts and leave the rears alone. You'll be focusing on a lot of things, so having matching rear pads isn't a big deal. Swap to better brake fluid if you haven't already. Happy wheeling!