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      07-04-2020, 11:17 PM   #23
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What specifically makes them Marxist?
Patrisse Cullors, one of the founders, is on record stating that co-founder Alicia Garza and herself are trained marxists and that they have a specific ideological framework that they adhere to. While promoting her book she vocalized her support for marxist ideology. She was also the protege of Eric Mann, largely considered a domestic terrorist for his involvement with the Weathermen, a group best known for a number domestic bombings during late 60s and early 70s.
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Or to put it another way, what exactly is a Marxist, and what makes BLM supporters Marxists?
BLM supporters aren’t necessarily marxist, but the organizations founders are. Most of the supporters only know the face value of what they’re supporting. Very few BLM supporters understand the organization beyond the superficial.

I support the face value sentiment of BLM, like most people, but I cannot support the organization because of a number of their publicly stated goals. Unfortunately, most people don’t take the time to fully understand causes and organizations they are supporting and they hop on whatever bandwagon everyone else is.
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What specifically makes them Marxist?
Or to put it another way, what exactly is a Marxist, and what makes BLM supporters Marxists?
It is over-simplification to call them "Marxist", even if their cofounders jerk off to Marxism for relatability brownie points with young liberals; one can label them any sort of an -ist, but this is no longer a point. This is not an intellectual discourse any more. BLM isn't trying to convince you of anything. Lines are drawn. Whatever they are, you are on their shit-list. They will destroy your cities, rape your sensibilities, murder your culture, and piss on your fucking ashes. Seems like you are either looking for an intellectual understanding of who and what they are, OR you are hand waving about trying to deconstruct label loaded criticism of BLM.

Speaking of which, deconstructing any criticism or labeling of the identitarian beast in the vain hopes of being eaten last is the height intellectual cowardice.

In short, they don't care for an argument, for or against. They just want to eat you, or at least a pound of your flesh. So I don't really understand why what they are is even important. Unless you are duplicitous and trying to deconstruct labels applied to BLM.
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Or to put it another way, what exactly is a Marxist, and what makes BLM supporters Marxists?
BLM supporters aren't necessarily marxist, but the organizations founders are. Most of the supporters only know the face value of what they're supporting. Very few BLM supporters understand the organization beyond the superficial.

I support the face value sentiment of BLM, like most people, but I cannot support the organization because of a number of their publicly stated goals. Unfortunately, most people don't take the time to fully understand causes and organizations they are supporting and they hop on whatever bandwagon everyone else is.
Pray tell, and I am curious, what do you understand is the face value sentiment of BLM?
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Just so we are clear, these thug ass motherfuckers are here on US soil, right?
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Just so we are clear, these thug ass motherfuckers are here on US soil, right?
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This is what the armed forces are for. This is serious shit. I have seen this before in a past life and I can assure you this is as serious as it gets. It never ends well for a culture.
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This is what the armed forces are for. This is serious shit. I have seen this before in a past life and I can assure you this is as serious as it gets. It never ends well for a culture.
A black supremacist group openly calling for violence, it will be interesting to see how the media spins it. Certainly alarming. Feels like we aren’t far from another Dallas 2016 situation.

I watched a couple interviews with that guy, total nutcase. Stating that in addition to reperations, every black American needs to be labelled a political prisoner and that the US will give the state of Texas to blacks. Their group is called “NFAC”, Not Fucking Around Coalition.
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A black supremacist group openly calling for violence, it will be interesting to see how the media spins it. Certainly alarming. Feels like we aren’t far from another Dallas 2016 situation.

I watched a couple interviews with that guy, total nutcase. Stating that in addition to reperations, every black American needs to be labelled a political prisoner and that the US will give the state of Texas to blacks. Their group is called “NFAC”, Not Fucking Around Coalition.
How many of them are glowies? You know they infiltrate the white power groups, so they're just as likely all up in black power movements.
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How many of them are glowies? You know they infiltrate the white power groups, so they're just as likely all up in black power movements.
Haven’t heard of them until today so idk much about them. The powers at be are much more concerned with white nationalism it seems. These dudes came out looking for a fight.
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A black supremacist group openly calling for violence, it will be interesting to see how the media spins it. Certainly alarming. Feels like we aren’t far from another Dallas 2016 situation.

I watched a couple interviews with that guy, total nutcase. Stating that in addition to reperations, every black American needs to be labelled a political prisoner and that the US will give the state of Texas to blacks. Their group is called “NFAC”, Not Fucking Around Coalition.
How many of them are glowies? You know they infiltrate the white power groups, so they're just as likely all up in black power movements.
Well I hope some of them are glowies haha.
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Speaking of which, deconstructing any criticism or labeling of the identitarian beast in the vain hopes of being eaten last is the height intellectual cowardice.

In short, they don't care for an argument, for or against. They just want to eat you, or at least a pound of your flesh. So I don't really understand why what they are is even important. Unless you are duplicitous and trying to deconstruct labels applied to BLM.
What is there in such empty and hyperbolic labeling to be deconstructed? Marxism at very least calls for public ownership of the means of production. I'm aware of no such call from BLM.
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Right on! Patriots paint over Marxist garbage while BLM autists seethe.
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the Karen/Kevin thing is getting old. We can debate economic or cultural Marxism. But clearly those that seek to silence any opposing view and is exclusively given free reign to use bigoted pejoratives is facist.

And before anyone tries the "walk a mile in their shoes", "see how it feels" angle, i'll refer back to The Chaddening's post with the young Japanese girl.
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the Karen/Kevin thing is getting old. We can debate economic or cultural Marxism. But clearly those that seek to silence any opposing view and is exclusively given free reign to use bigoted pejoratives is facist.

And before anyone tries the "walk a mile in their shoes", "see how it feels" angle, i'll refer back to The Chaddening's post with the young Japanese girl.
Yeah it is. Not surprising though, the user that uploaded that was named “posts from reddit” or something. Redditors are pure cringe normies.
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Speaking of which, deconstructing any criticism or labeling of the identitarian beast in the vain hopes of being eaten last is the height intellectual cowardice.

In short, they don't care for an argument, for or against. They just want to eat you, or at least a pound of your flesh. So I don't really understand why what they are is even important. Unless you are duplicitous and trying to deconstruct labels applied to BLM.
What is there in such empty and hyperbolic labeling to be deconstructed? Marxism at very least calls for public ownership of the means of production. I'm aware of no such call from BLM.
Fair point, they haven't made such calls. But if I were to opine, I would say would you be surprised if their camp would tomorrow try to normalize nationalization? I have seen this before man, I would love to fill you in on what will happen next; it always starts like this...

But you see I am sinking into the same trap of trying to intellectualize, or rationalize, the irrational beast that they are. You can't destroy my beautiful city, and take over fucking blocks, over your pet cause and expect me to have an intellectual conversation about your motivations. This is not how this civilization was built and this not the normal people should accept.

That's why I say, no matter what they are labeled as it is irrelevant. At this point they are usurpers; they are encroachers. Fuck them, whatever they are.
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the Karen/Kevin thing is getting old. We can debate economic or cultural Marxism. But clearly those that seek to silence any opposing view and is exclusively given free reign to use bigoted pejoratives is facist.

And before anyone tries the "walk a mile in their shoes", "see how it feels" angle, i'll refer back to The Chaddening's post with the young Japanese girl.
Fair point. Always the voice of reason, whether it is the 2-series or cultural discourse haha cheers man, glad to see you in these parts!
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[QUOTE=The Chaddening;26398405]/QUOTE]

Where have you been? Because you see some "blacks" with weapons, have you forgotten the likes on the right with the same weapons? And a "race war"? Man, you must be living under a rock.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states
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Where have you been? Because you see some "blacks" with weapons, have you forgotten the likes on the right with the same weapons? And a "race war"? Man, you must be living under a rock.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states
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