S65 engine sabotaged!!!!

[Dpc2u]

Wow, we have truly entered the twilight zone.

Good luck OP, I hope you work through this ordeal. As to my opinion, and the pics I posted, I still hold that the key could have been dropped in the oil fill on the valve cover. There is plenty of clearance for it to work it's way down without being chewed up, especially considering the fill cap is right in front of the gear (note the hump on the valve cover for the gear). My opinion is based on years of experience as a mechanic, yes, I previously did it for a living, and now I am in management in the automotive field. Am I an expert on the S65? No, but nuts and bolts are nuts and bolts. Worked on my share of BMW and Mercedes.

At any rate, I will now bow out, and again, good luck with whatever, however and whoever. Not for me to judge.

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by MaximusB

My point is What your invoice says vs what work was actually done could be two different things, especially if they’re trying to cover up a mistake such as stripping the drain bolt.

Personally I highly doubt someone did this on purpose. There are much more easier ways to destroy a car, no matter how much someone have against you. I mean, if they have access to your car to pull this off, why not just puncture your brake lines and let the fluid out slowly and gradually, right? Much easier to poke a few pin holes on the brake lines than go through all the trouble of putting a key inside.

Very good point! Yes, it seems highly elaborate. A friend was telling me the same thing today; that there are easier ways to vandalize. Sugar in the gas tank, key the car, smash the windows, and so on. And you're bang on with the whole 'what's on the bill isn't reality'. I will ask my brother to get detailed reports from them and to use some key individuals there to get to the bottom of it. The only issue is, if they're truly at fault, why would they admit it to us? Seems that a cover up would be their first route. But we will try!

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by Dpc2u

Wow, we have truly entered the twighlight zone.

Good luck OP, I hope you work through this ordeal. As to my opinion, and the pics I posted, I still hold that the key could have been dropped in the oil fill on the valve cover. There is plenty of clearance for it to work it's way down without being chewed up, especially considering the fill cap is right in front of the gear (note the hump on the valve cover for the gear). My opinion is based on years of experience as a mechanic, yes, I previously did it for a living, and now I am in management in the automotive field. Am I an expert on the S65? No, but nuts and bolts are nuts and bolts. Worked on my share of BMW and Mercedes.

At any rate, I will now bow out, and again, good luck with whatever, however and whoever. Not for me to judge.

Wow, thank you so much for your insight and I highly appreciate how constructive it was. Coming from an ex-mechanic, your hypothesis carries a lot of weight. Unfortunately for me, it means I have no case with the dealership as they can claim anyone did it; even if at a gas station. Thank you, @Dpc2u.

[Siajoon]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Wow, thank you so much for your insight and I highly appreciate how constructive it was. Coming from an ex-mechanic, your hypothesis carries a lot of weight. Unfortunately for me, it means I have no case with the dealership as they can claim anyone did it; even if at a gas station. Thank you, @Dpc2u.

Even if at a gas station? Let's remember that they need to have access to inside of your cabin in order to pop the hood.

Unless the car was left unattended while being unlocked I highly doubt just anyone did this. Especially if the hood has no damage from forcing it open...

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by Siajoon

Even if at a gas station? Let's remember that they need to have access to inside of your cabin in order to pop the hood.

Unless the car was left unattended while being unlocked I highly doubt just anyone did this. Especially if the hood has no damage from forcing it open...

Yeah, so here's a little factoid for you guys. In the Middle East, because it's so dusty, it's typical that at gas stations, when they fill her up, they pop open the hood and blow air over the engine and stuff like that. They even do it at car washes. It's a way to regularly dust off the engine and components. The idea is, access to the hood is not that uncommon.

[StripclubDJ]

Op , welcome to the internet

Sorry about your motor.
But you seriously need a beer lol

[LuckiSevens]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Yeah, so here's a little factoid for you guys. In the Middle East, because it's so dusty, it's typical that at gas stations, when they fill her up, they pop open the hood and blow air over the engine and stuff like that. They even do it at car washes. It's a way to regularly dust off the engine and components. The idea is, access to the hood is not that uncommon.

I think we've unlocked the problem, could have told us this 10hrs ago! So now all you need to do track back to the last garage that did this for your brother after he'd been ragging the car around the desert 🐫

[m3jala]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Very good point! Yes, it seems highly elaborate. A friend was telling me the same thing today; that there are easier ways to vandalize. Sugar in the gas tank, key the car, smash the windows, and so on. And you're bang on with the whole 'what's on the bill isn't reality'. I will ask my brother to get detailed reports from them and to use some key individuals there to get to the bottom of it. The only issue is, if they're truly at fault, why would they admit it to us? Seems that a cover up would be their first route. But we will try!

You're insured for damage and theft I assume, correct? Any reason you would not just get this sorted through your insurance? Someone vandalized the car, right? That's typically handled through insurance.

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by m3jala

You're insured for damage and theft I assume, correct? Any reason you would not just get this sorted through your insurance? Someone vandalized the car, right? That's typically handled through insurance.

Going the insurance claim route once the dealership issues a report. Still waiting on that report. I posted literally days after I got the pics. I'm praying insurance policy fine print won't kick me in the nuts tho. You know, dealerships and insurance companies are my favorite establishments

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by LuckiSevens

I think we've unlocked the problem, could have told us this 10hrs ago! So now all you need to do track back to the last garage that did this for your brother after he'd been ragging the car around the desert 🐫

Probable. Nothing definite yet. I won't rule out dealership foul play or negligence just yet. All are still on the table

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by StripclubDJ

Op , welcome to the internet

Sorry about your motor.
But you seriously need a beer lol

Thank you for making me laugh
It's funny how the internet gave people a carte blanche to say shit they'd normally not say to someone's face. A bit cathartic I would say

[m3jala]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Going the insurance claim route once the dealership issues a report. Still waiting on that report. I posted literally days after I got the pics. I'm praying insurance policy fine print won't kick me in the nuts tho. You know, dealerships and insurance companies are my favorite establishments

In theory they should cover but I hear you. don't know how they operate in the country your car is.

[Scrippy]

OP try and have a thicker skin. The forum can punch and run a lot. At the same time this story is bizarre to say the least. Iv'e read everyone's replies and yours and I personally feel like 1-who cares who did this and why? 2-This dealer is the only service entity to work on your car. 3-It was purchased new. Assert your opinion that it was solely the service provider who ACCIDENTALLY contaminated your motor during one of the many services they provided and call it a day. And can things be fixed with the original motor? I may have missed something but it cut off. Uh will it not be repairable with the OG motor? You, I and the forum members are not investigators hence the ambitious stories provided here within. Let the suits hash this out and place the burden of defense on the only service entity who performed service. Ultimately this sucks and I'm sorry for ya. At least it's not your only car like me. I'd be fucking fucking insanely jumpy towards the world if this was my M (only cool car I own anymore)!

PS:If you don't post a result or answer for this at some point.....I WILL DEDICATE MY LIFE TOWARDS FINDING YOU AND BACKHANDING YOU FOR LEAVING ME HANGIN!

[InnerBlueSkies]

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

OP try and have a thicker skin. The forum can punch and run a lot. At the same time this story is bizarre to say the least. I read everyone's replies and yours and I really feel 1-like who cares who did this and why? 2-This dealer is the only service entity to work on your car. 3-It was purchased new. Assert your opinion that it was solely the service provider who ACCIDENTALLY contaminated your motor during one of the many services they provided and call it a day. You, I and the forum members are not investigators hence the ambitious stories provided here within. Let the suits hash this out and place the burden of defense on the only service entity who performed service. Ultimately this sucks and I'm sorry for ya. At least it's not your only car like me. I'd be fucking fucking insanely jumpy towards the world if this was my M (only cool car I own anymore)!

PS:If you don't post a result or answer for this at some point.....I WILL DEDICATE MY LIFE TOWARDS FINDING YOU AND BACKHANDING YOU FOR LEAVING ME HANGIN!

Made me laugh haha. Much love. See this is how 'internet' ought to be used. To help and make people laugh during times of hardship. I promise to update this post with how this goes down! Here's praying for a good outcome

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

Made me laugh haha. Much love. See this is how 'internet' ought to be used. To help and make people laugh during times of hardship. I promise to update this post with how this goes down! Here's praying for a good outcome

Yeah, I wish the best for ya man! This sucks and feels like a Twilight Zone episode. Don't be angry with folks because this is a weird happening. I too kinda thought shenanigans were afoot.

[kimiraikkonen]

Originally Posted by m3jala

You're insured for damage and theft I assume, correct? Any reason you would not just get this sorted through your insurance? Someone vandalized the car, right? That's typically handled through insurance.

Because insurance companies are not stupid and would ask the same questions we are asking. Not to mention, everytime you ask the OP, there's another piece of previously undisclosed info that all of a sudden appears.

[cmyE93M3]

Hey OP, hope you don't think I was tasking you in my responses, it's just such a weird way to sabotage a car. Putting bleach in the gas tank, or anything when burned up goes solid in the engine is rather easier to achieve than the method chosen by the person doing harm to you.

Would love to hear the end result of this or if you find the culprit.

[m3jala]

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen

Because insurance companies are not stupid and would ask the same questions we are asking. Not to mention, everytime you ask the OP, there's another piece of previously undisclosed info that all of a sudden appears.

First sentence, I think I get that insurance companies exist to make a dime. Second sentence, not getting into all that. There's this thing called karma which I'm fine not being the judge for.

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

Yeah, I wish the best for ya man! This sucks and feels like a Twilight Zone episode. Don't be angry with folks because this is a weird happening. I too kinda thought shenanigans were afoot.

I know but why the F would I waste my time and everyone's if I did this. Seems ridiculous of an accusation hence why I'm rubbed the wrong way by some of the comments

[Vandalle]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

OP try and have a thicker skin. The forum can punch and run a lot. At the same time this story is bizarre to say the least. Iv'e read everyone's replies and yours and I personally feel like 1-who cares who did this and why? 2-This dealer is the only service entity to work on your car. 3-It was purchased new. Assert your opinion that it was solely the service provider who ACCIDENTALLY contaminated your motor during one of the many services they provided and call it a day. And can things be fixed with the original motor? I may have missed something but it cut off. Uh will it not be repairable with the OG motor? You, I and the forum members are not investigators hence the ambitious stories provided here within. Let the suits hash this out and place the burden of defense on the only service entity who performed service. Ultimately this sucks and I'm sorry for ya. At least it's not your only car like me. I'd be fucking fucking insanely jumpy towards the world if this was my M (only cool car I own anymore)!

PS:If you don't post a result or answer for this at some point.....I WILL DEDICATE MY LIFE TOWARDS FINDING YOU AND BACKHANDING YOU FOR LEAVING ME HANGIN!

I'm waiting for the dealership report but what they said initially is that the engine is damaged. Some of the folks here,based on the pics, noticed irreparable damage too. Now I could rebuild the engine but I imagine that I'd be better off doing that in Germany or the US. The dealership won't have that skill over there. They'd replace it as a first option.

And your point about stressing they ACCIDENTALLY messed up is smart. It's ultimately better if we come to an agreement before sending the suits in. Bang on.

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by Vandalle

I'm waiting for the dealership report but what they said initially is that the engine is damaged. Some of the folks here,based on the pics, noticed irreparable damage too. Now I could rebuild the engine but I imagine that I'd be better off doing that in Germany or the US. The dealership won't have that skill over there. They'd replace it as a first option.

And your point about stressing they ACCIDENTALLY messed up is smart. It's ultimately better if we come to an agreement before sending the suits in. Bang on.

People will respond/deal with a calm person more often than the opposite. It's easy for me to say all this cause it's not me but it's advice ya know. If you bought the car NEW and only used a BMW dealership for service I'd assume that's positive. Being parked outside will be their point of contention though and that's a hard hole to plug.