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03-11-2015, 12:56 AM | #1 |
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let's talk about wheel studs!
hey guys, i'm picking up a set of track wheels/tires soon and i'll likely be doing a stud conversion.
i'm not likely going to run spacers. there seem to be different kits that offer different materials, different diameters (thicker studs) and different styles of nuts. if you have a set of studs, what would you change or do differently if you were ordering again? these caught my eye, but are they gimmicky? http://ind-distribution.com/ind/cate...ng-lugnuts-set how about the weight of some kits? is it possible to save a pound per corner with some kits? and how about the turner motorsports bullet nose studs with "dry lube" coated threads? not too expensive for some product with some good points in the description. http://www.turnermotorsport.com/show...30-e36-e46-e9x thoughts?
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Not likely to save weight unless go with titanium set which are crazy expensive and even race teams dont use. I like the turner or bimmerworld products. I have sheared other studs in under a year.
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i found a thread on an e28 board where a guy was making titanium wheel studs/bolts. he was selling them and they offered some weight savings (not exactly sure how much), but i wouldn't run a non-torture tested stud. i'm not sure titanium would hold up, either.
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Don't go crazy spending money on these, studs and nuts are replaceable items. You should be replacing them periodically if tracking your car. I've use the BW studs but I think those Turner studs are a new item. I don't remember them having a bull nosed stud in different lengths. Nice.
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To OP, I've read that Vorschlag makes a good kit. http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info...roducts_id=389 |
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Would not recommend Titanium studs, we saw an instance in which all 5 Titanium studs sheered off at a track event a few years ago, sending the wheel straight down the strip:
The broken studs can clearly be seen spit out by the wheel on the ground after sheering. The weight savings is simply not worth the risk involved. Safety first.
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I recommend bullet nose. Make sure of your dimensions before you order and think about if you will run spacers or not. Some shops use the length to mean threaded versus overall versus from face of rotor, so look at dimensional drawings carefully.
The last place I used was track-studs.com
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From my experience, installing the bullet nose studs with the double nut method is much more time consuming and annoying than the hex key versions. Not worth the added "benefits" to me, but that's just my opinion. I'm not talking down the bullet nose version but am curious if there is something I'm missing...
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I think Rogue studs are both bullet AND hex key installed. Quote:
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Order the stud install/removal sockets from Koken. I have the whole set. I will have all 4 corners done while you are still cursing on the first corner. I use bullet nose because my wheels are on and off a LOT. I want them to go on without buggering up threads or wheels. They also allow the lug nut to center better and quicker when installing them. My reasons are primarily track related. But as long as you are buying them, why not just get bullet nose. BTW, a split lock washer between the double nut speeds up that technique. I will have to check but I don't think my race studs are tapered. They just have a nice long smooth round nose to get the lug nut centered
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The important spec is the stud being a grade 10.9. Bullet nose or hex head...they are mostly the same.
The problem with studs, as I'm finding out here in the north, is keeping the wheel hub clean is more of a challenge. Just like the stud, it is important to keep the contact surfaces clean (back of the wheel, rotor hat face and hub lip) to make sure you keep the wheel vibration free. BMW's procedure specifies this. No stud will last long if there is vibration through the wheel. I wouldn't necessarily blame wheel studs as the reason for a wheel falling off. More commonly it is the fault of the buffoon who installed your wheel. They didn't seat the wheel correctly.
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If those surfaces are not clean then you significantly reduce the contact area between the wheel and hub which is where the strength is. Not in the wheel studs. It don't take much...just a small piece of debris in the paddock to get in between. IMO, this just as if not more important than properly torqueing your wheels. I'd bet my $$$ on the wheel not being seated properly in cases where all 5 studs broke off.
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i swapped out my track wheels for my street wheels today for the first time. the studs worked well and made it easy, and the nuts threaded on quite easy.
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anyone know if bmw is going to give me a hard time when my front brakes are due? are they going to have to remove the studs to replace the rotors?
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