paragon bbk?

kolosy · 07-25-2023, 09:55 AM

Tried searching this forum but didn't get too many hits on Paragon stuff. Forum member turned me on to them and has been super happy. I'm possibly picking up an E90 for mostly track duty and starting to plan out what it'll need.

They're claiming that it'll work with stock rears, which is a plus at the moment. Any experience with these guys?

https://paragonbrakes.com/track-perf...m-coupe-front/

bgexpress · 07-25-2023, 03:19 PM

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roastbeef · 07-25-2023, 09:07 PM

it actually looks like a nice kit. high cooling vane count on the rotor is good and the caliper doesn't look bigger than it needs to be.

amg6975 · 07-26-2023, 01:38 PM

The Honda crowd loves them. I was just buying OEM replacement rotors and had a really hard time deciding between Girodisc and Paragon. There's probably very little performance difference but one of them the Porsche GT crowd swears by, and one the Honda crowd swears by so... Porsche crowd won.

donald · 07-31-2023, 10:47 AM

Also interested - a guy last weekend at CW won the B3 Bimmer Challenge using them (maybe the same guy OP is talking about).

Looks like they do group-buys for the Honda crowd. Maybe they'd do it for this forum?

kolosy · 07-31-2023, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by donald

Also interested - a guy last weekend at CW won the B3 Bimmer Challenge using them (maybe the same guy OP is talking about).

Looks like they do group-buys for the Honda crowd. Maybe they'd do it for this forum?

i'm chatting with them now, can certainly ask...

donald · 07-31-2023, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kolosy

i'm chatting with them now, can certainly ask...

Please do! And let me know what you find.

I'm currently looking for a BBK - stoptech availability for replacement parts looks so-so, and the AP/BW Alcon sets are nearly $6k. They're great I'm sure but it's a hard pill to swallow.

amg6975 · 08-01-2023, 08:38 AM

Anyone know what pad shape/thickness they use? Looks like the standard Alcon/AP/Others?

kolosy · 08-01-2023, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by amg6975

Anyone know what pad shape/thickness they use? Looks like the standard Alcon/AP/Others?

looks like, it yeah. 18mm 819SN

From their site:

Common applications:

Paragon PA015, PA035 calipers
AP CP9660, CP5060 calipers (CP3905D54), CP5060-2 to -5 / CP5555 calipers (CP3894D54)
Alcon TA6 / CAR11 / CAR89 calipers (PNF4489)

https://paragonbrakes.com/paragon-pb...18-brake-pads/

amg6975 · 08-01-2023, 10:06 AM

Problem I've found is the 18mm pads in that shape are actually harder to come by than the 25mm versions. Very interesting kit though, front and rear is cheaper than just front from AP or [Bimmerworld] Alcon.

Also super interesting Paragon has an Alcon kit for the same price as their branded offering...

kolosy · 08-03-2023, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amg6975

Problem I've found is the 18mm pads in that shape are actually harder to come by than the 25mm versions. Very interesting kit though, front and rear is cheaper than just front from AP or [Bimmerworld] Alcon.

Also super interesting Paragon has an Alcon kit for the same price as their branded offering...

re: the Alcon kit, it looks like the street version. Low temp dust seals etc.

kevin @ eas · 08-03-2023, 12:01 PM

The caliper looks like its a copy of the original AP racing kit. Little differences here and there but overall shape and design look the same.

omgzirra_exe · 08-03-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin @ eas

The caliper looks like its a copy of the original AP racing kit. Little differences here and there but overall shape and design look the same.

i wouldn't be surprised, as the "AP BBK" these guys sell where also questionable.. but looks like they removed the AP offering from there website. most likely rebranded to their name now.

edit: correction it was just the rotors. thanks @derbo. they never sold the calipers.

kolosy · 08-04-2023, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donald

Please do! And let me know what you find.

I'm currently looking for a BBK - stoptech availability for replacement parts looks so-so, and the AP/BW Alcon sets are nearly $6k. They're great I'm sure but it's a hard pill to swallow.

they offered a group buy (15% off if we get to 10, 20% if 20). I'll get all the details together and put it up in a separate thread.

bgexpress · 08-05-2023, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolosy

they offered a group buy (15% off if we get to 10, 20% if 20). I'll get all the details together and put it up in a separate thread.

Wow, that’s a great discount! Will they include the Alcon kit in the GB ?

kolosy · 08-05-2023, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bgexpress

Wow, that’s a great discount! Will they include the Alcon kit in the GB ?

i'd imagine not but i'll confirm. should get final details on monday.

donald · 08-05-2023, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolosy

they offered a group buy (15% off if we get to 10, 20% if 20). I'll get all the details together and put it up in a separate thread.

Wow, sweet. I'll be in for a set.

kolosy · 08-07-2023, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donald

Wow, sweet. I'll be in for a set.

group buy thread:
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30377803

oh and confirmed that it needs to be a paragon caliper-based kit to qualify for the gb

derbo · 08-07-2023, 01:22 PM

FWIW,

Honda research race team uses a paragon BBK during the 25hr thunderhill race. I have a mindset, if it is good enough for the endurance race team, it's probably more than enough for me as well.

https://paragonbrakes.com/blog/thrw-...f-thunderhill/

omgzirra_exe · 08-10-2023, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by derbo

FWIW,

Honda research race team uses a paragon BBK during the 25hr thunderhill race. I have a mindset, if it is good enough for the endurance race team, it's probably more than enough for me as well.

https://paragonbrakes.com/blog/thrw-...f-thunderhill/

although cool, it was more of a lets fuck around after work hours and build a race car type of team lol.

not my applying for honda right now..

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