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most accidents ive seen are in advanced groups with guys really pushing the limit. slow guys do make errors but easier to avoid disaster at slower speeds, even with less skill. usually.
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In any case, a vast majority of track people I know didn't participate in events run by instructor-led organizers and we all turned out alright. I've met and befriended a lot of people at the tracks and I personally don't know a single person who's had this type of incident. Having said that, yeah, those organizers are taking risks; but the flip side is, having each and every novices get paired up with an instructor has its down sides too [some novices simply don't need and/or want instruction, requiring instructions and not having enough instructors for 1-to-1 ratio would force the drivers to wait a lot (a lot of downtime), some instructors are simply a waste of time, etc]. One novice driver to whom this type of incident happens to versus nine hundred and ninety nine other novices who progress on without incidents seems to be an acceptable ratio.
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what do you mean by this comment? that you dont know anyone who drives a white car and cut that corner inside in the dirt to hit the wall or a more general you dont know anyone who has made a mistake and crashed? if the second i find this impossible to believe as i know tons of people that have had incidents including racers, instructors, down to novice, and seen it happen numerous times. my first track day ever i witnesses 3 serious accidents that made me question what the hell i was doing. and my last time out i passed a person in what seemed like a safe enough spin only to find out a person a couple cars back got target fixation and drove right into them totalling both cars.
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11-15-2013, 09:31 PM | #48 | |
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I mean crash their car. Of 62 track days I've gone to, I've only seen 3 cars crash (1 novice and 2 advanced) and I don't know them personally. Re: all the crashes you witnessed, I was gonna needle you with a "you Northwest people don't know how to drive" or a "we SoCal people are better drivers," but I think it's probably due to tracks here in SoCal usually having lots of run-off's and very little walls. So, off's don't usually result in crashes. You see my videos with wild antics, but I wouldn't be doing that if I was on tracks with grass instead of dirt, with walls on both sides of the track so close to the track almost the entire lengths of the tracks, and even trees! I'd be focused on driving more consistent and clinical like CanAutM3.
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Nobody I know personally crashed their car. Some came close. Of people I do know, I saw plenty of close-calls when they dropped a wheel or two onto the dirt at track out, then they'd hook their steering wheel back towards the track desperately trying to get back onto the track and shoot across the track and wind up on the other side, either going into the dirt or narrowly missing a wall. Never understood why they wouldn't just counter-steer and gradually just get back onto the track. I saw a video a few days ago of track buddy who is an advanced driver in a spin at an extremely high-speed that, if that happened on tracks in north or northeast regions, that car would be totaled and he'd be rushed to a hospital.
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The limited ones ive been to ive seen a few crashes. More importantly are not necessarily the crashes but just the lack of awareness which i believe is just a crash waiting to happen. I mean 15 black flags on the first session of a group is horrible. When the lead instructor asks what happened in the download meeting and all of them they "i was going too fast" when in reality they werent, you know youre in a group with shit that is bound to happen. Lol.
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Yep. Agree.
In that particular classroom the instructor got fed up and said bullshit there are guys out there with shittier cars going faster thru the same turn than you guys. You dont know how to drive. So learn if anything. Lol |
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I was at that track today.. I missed the turn 3-4 times.. You can just go straight...
Totally clueless to why he made that turn
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Glad to see the participation in this post. I did get another important tip/lesson from the responses. That is...to study the escape routes at each track. Something that is really not discussed during any driver's meeting I have been to. Thank you fellow track rats.
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Yes. At least in PROPERLY organized events.
In my 13+ year working with the Pacific Region BMW CCA driving events, I have not yet seen a driver induced car to car or car to wall incident in our novice group. Given the average of about 10 days a year, that's well over 100 days without a driver induced incident that requires repairs. Can't say the same for other organizers. But the Pacific Region BMW CCA has managed to teach all the fundamentals to novices in a relatively safe environment. Knock on wood.
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I am not sure what it is lately, but track section of the forum is filled with threads about accidents like never before..
If nothing mechanical happened to this guy's car, he really f'ed up and paid for it. Very unfortunate. |
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