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      05-21-2020, 12:28 PM   #199
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Yeah, but it's a little concerning that the sub bar is not behind your chest line.
Really what I'd like to know, is it unsafe to have the sub strap bar in line or forward with the seat hole. Obviously, the instructions say that it should be behind the seat hole. But, if that's not feasible due to driver height, are you compromising your safety by having it mounted as shown in the picture.

Will definitely be interesting to hear BK's thoughts on this, because I spoke with Ian and he said that method is acceptable. I wonder what Schroth or any other harness manufacturer would have to say.
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Per Schroth, who IMO has done more testing on this than anyone else out there, acceptable range of belt angles for a 6 point:



(the downward facing shoulder straps not being acceptable because they plan load on the seat that the seat wasn't designed for. As a result, for every single car/seat they sell the quick fit for, they test the factory seat to make sure it can take the downward load applied by the belts... and they also worked with Cobra/tested the Nogaro to make sure it could take that load)

Their full instructions: https://www.schroth.com/en/segments/...qg_2019-10.pdf
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Per Schroth, who IMO has done more testing on this than anyone else out there, acceptable range of belt angles for a 6 point:



(the downward facing shoulder straps not being acceptable because they plan load on the seat that the seat wasn't designed for. As a result, for every single car/seat they sell the quick fit for, they test the factory seat to make sure it can take the downward load applied by the belts... and they also worked with Cobra/tested the Nogaro to make sure it could take that load)

Their full instructions: https://www.schroth.com/en/segments/...qg_2019-10.pdf
Good info. I think our question is more about the sub strap specifically. Is there a safety issue with having the sub strap bar NOT mounted in a location that would allow a 20* rearward angle from the sub strap hole in the seat?
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Good info. I think our question is more about the sub strap specifically. Is there a safety issue with having the sub strap bar NOT mounted in a location that would allow a 20* rearward angle from the sub strap hole in the seat?
The acceptable range for the sub strap, as pictured above, is straight down (0) to 20 backwards-- not bang on 20!
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The acceptable range for the sub strap, as pictured above, is straight down (0) to 20 backwards-- not bang on 20!
Understood. While I have you here, is the small bar that is welded to the sub strap bar used to route the straps over, or are the straps supposed to go around the outside of that small bar?
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The acceptable range for the sub strap, as pictured above, is straight down (0°) to 20° backwards-- not bang on 20°!
Understood. While I have you here, is the small bar that is welded to the sub strap bar used to route the straps over, or are the straps supposed to go around the outside of that small bar?
The small bar is just a guide for the sub strap. Definitely supposed to be routed around the big bar.

I guess this all depends on the seat in use huh, since every sub hole maybe slightly different.
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The small bar is just a guide for the sub strap. Definitely supposed to be routed around the big bar.

I guess this all depends on the seat in use huh, since every sub hole maybe slightly different.
Yeah no question about the wrap going around the big bar haha, thanks for the response. I assumed it served as some sort of guide
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The small bar is just a guide for the sub strap. Definitely supposed to be routed around the big bar.

I guess this all depends on the seat in use huh, since every sub hole maybe slightly different.
Yeah no question about the wrap going around the big bar haha, thanks for the response. I assumed it served as some sort of guide
BK never called me back yesterday, so that's neat.

I'll call again today.
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BK never called me back yesterday, so that's neat.

I'll call again today.
That's definitely neat. Count me as jealous
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The small bar is just a guide for the sub strap. Definitely supposed to be routed around the big bar.

I guess this all depends on the seat in use huh, since every sub hole maybe slightly different.
Yeah no question about the wrap going around the big bar haha, thanks for the response. I assumed it served as some sort of guide
BK never called me back yesterday, so that's neat.

I'll call again today.
We all going to miss Ian
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We all going to miss Ian
Yes... he was great. What a loss for BK
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Yes... he was great. What a loss for BK
Yea he gave me faster and more e-mail responses than anyone I've e-mailed about car parts, and saved me from ordering the wrong parts multiple times. Thanks Obioban! Hope your next path is great.
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Yes... he was great. What a loss for BK
Yea he gave me faster and more e-mail responses than anyone I've e-mailed about car parts, and saved me from ordering the wrong parts multiple times. Thanks Obioban! Hope your next path is great.
Is Obioban Ian from BK? Had no idea
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Yes... he was great. What a loss for BK
Yea he gave me faster and more e-mail responses than anyone I've e-mailed about car parts, and saved me from ordering the wrong parts multiple times. Thanks Obioban! Hope your next path is great.
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Anyone got a source for manual sliders?
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Anyone got a source for manual sliders?
eBay, folks are repurposing the i3 rails because the 3x series are impossible to find.

I'd just use the power sliders from your existing seats. They're awesome for micro adjustments while in a harness.
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eBay, folks are repurposing the i3 rails because the 3x series are impossible to find.

I'd just use the power sliders from your existing seats. They're awesome for micro adjustments while in a harness.
Seconding the power sliders! Loving them. It's really not a difficult DIY
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