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      07-11-2018, 08:53 AM   #23
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NA V8 plus 6MT just go hand-in-hand. There will never be another M3 like this!

ZCP is certainly a top priority, but far from a deal breaker on our generation M3. Comp pack is far more significant on the f8x platform.

Now that the tech is getting dated, I think many are seeking out models without iDrive.

Last, CF roofs or slick tops over a sunroof.
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What do I think makes the car more attractive/valuable to the 'market'? 6MT hands down.

After owning a 6MT E9XM would I buy another one? Nope. DCT all day long - the ratios are much better suited to the S65's power band, and, general street use. I would gladly give up a small amount of interaction for more effectiveness even though the 6MT is bloody fun.

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      07-11-2018, 12:18 PM   #25
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I suspect that going forward, the 6MT will always be slightly more valuable than the ZCP DCT car, all else equal. But it's hard to compare because most people are set on their transmission choice when they are hunting for their car, but ZCP is usually a "nice to have" by everybody. So ZCP will add value/salability to any car, but 6MT will attract a different buyer.
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I thought i would miss my 6mt, but I have really been enjoying the dct...
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      07-11-2018, 12:57 PM   #27
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It's hilarious how a ZCP vs. 6MT thread quickly becomes DCT vs. 6MT
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It's hilarious how a ZCP vs. 6MT thread quickly becomes DCT vs. 6MT
If there's one universal truth on M3post, it's that every thread can and will eventually become a 6MT vs. DCT thread or a rod bearing thread.

There was even a thread complaining about the prevalence of rod bearing threads that inevitably devolved into a rod bearing thread itself...the greatest irony.
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so... is this all that's included in the ZCP package?

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1. The Competition Package includes a 10mm lowered suspension, new mapping for both the Dynamic Stability Control and the Electronic Damping Control systems, as well as forged alloy 19x9-inch front and 19x10-inch rear wheels with 235/35/19 front and 265/35/19 rear tires.
2. The Competition Package is priced at $2,500, bumping the M3 to $63,064 including delivery and the $1,300 gas guzzler tax.
3. No changes to the engine’s performance are made, with the 4.0L V8 continuing to make 414-hp and delivering a 4.5 second time to 60 mph with the DCT transmission.

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https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485975


wheels are easy to change
many people upgrade suspension

very rarely do people do a manual transmission swap
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wheels are easy to change
many people upgrade suspension

very rarely do people do a manual transmission swap
It's true, someone who wants to modify need not get the ZCP.
But some people don't want to modify (or much), and for them the ZCP is a great choice.
We aren't talking about collector cars exclusively in this thread, but for sure being stock AND ZCP will be the most collectible. Add 6MT and you're probably at the top.
There may be a time when 6MTs are being swapped into DCT cars. We are there on the E46 already, so pricing has converged (for non-collectors) to the difference of the cost of performing the swap (~$2,500). For drivers cars, a clean swap is as good as a factory 6MT (or better if it means you're getting a new clutch).
The DCT is superior to the SMG, so I am curious if the price difference or preferences unfold like they did for the 46. I would expect the transmission is less critical on the E9x than it is for the 46. Every 46 review these says "get the 6MT!" but the DCT is widely adored by all but the hyper purists.
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It's true, someone who wants to modify need not get the ZCP.
But some people don't want to modify (or much), and for them the ZCP is a great choice.
We aren't talking about collector cars exclusively in this thread, but for sure being stock AND ZCP will be the most collectible. Add 6MT and you're probably at the top.
There may be a time when 6MTs are being swapped into DCT cars. We are there on the E46 already, so pricing has converged (for non-collectors) to the difference of the cost of performing the swap (~$2,500). For drivers cars, a clean swap is as good as a factory 6MT (or better if it means you're getting a new clutch).
The DCT is superior to the SMG, so I am curious if the price difference or preferences unfold like they did for the 46. I would expect the transmission is less critical on the E9x than it is for the 46. Every 46 review these says "get the 6MT!" but the DCT is widely adored by all but the hyper purists.
The most valuable is probably the slicktop E90 ZCP 6MT.

The DCT is much more widely 'tolerated' than the SMG which is funny since the main reason people bagged on the SMG is that it wasn't a manual first, and it was clunky and unrefined, second.

This is contradictory in two ways:

First, many people want the most raw/visceral experience they can get from an M3 and the SMG offers by far the most raw/visceral/unrefined experience you can get from a modern transmission - much more than the 6MT and MUCH more than the DCT.

Second, many people install solid bushings and stiff suspensions thereby, more or less, making the car impractical for normal daily use and then in the same breath bash the SMG because it's clunky in traffic.

Get the SMG out on the open road and it's bonkers. Quick, raw, aggressive, precise - everything you want.

Funny... people.
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The most valuable is probably the slicktop E90 ZCP 6MT.
Agreed. And a stripper will be even more valuable.
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Agreed. And a stripper will be even more valuable.
I've seen a lot more attention to the stripper cars lately, too. You think they'll be more valuable in the long run? I know people question how long the e9x tech will seem current/up-to-date but to me the lack of that second hump looks much more dated in my mind.
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I've seen a lot more attention to the stripper cars lately, too. You think they'll be more valuable in the long run? I know people question how long the e9x tech will seem current/up-to-date but to me the lack of that second hump looks much more dated in my mind.
I was back and forth about wanting the nav or no nav. I ended up in a car with nav and I'm glad I have it, just easier to listen to music etc but, I figure worst case I can easily find a single-hump dash from a non-M car and stick it in if I REALLY wanted, where as it would be more of a hassle to upgrate to a nav dash.
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I've seen a lot more attention to the stripper cars lately, too. You think they'll be more valuable in the long run? I know people question how long the e9x tech will seem current/up-to-date but to me the lack of that second hump looks much more dated in my mind.
Personally, I think the single hump dash is much cleaner looking and will stand the test of time much better in my opinion. BTW, I have Nav/I-Drive on my e90m.
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I know I'm an outlier here and generally don't respond to these types of threads, but there are 2 things I had to have (or didn't have) when I bought my M3. It had to be a 6MT and I didn't want ZCP.

I'm an analog kind of guy and I wanted the least amount of "electrical intervention" between me and the road. It's that simple. I totally respect the opinion of those that don't necessarily agree. I settled on the moonroof because of the pristine condition of the car I ended up buying inside and out, mechanically and cosmetically.
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I'm hoping lightly & smartly optioned zcp/ 6mt is more desirable
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Agreed. And a stripper will be even more valuable.
I've seen a lot more attention to the stripper cars lately, too. You think they'll be more valuable in the long run? I know people question how long the e9x tech will seem current/up-to-date but to me the lack of that second hump looks much more dated in my mind.
This is true, as those looking to grab one of the last NA M cars (w/ a stick) are seeking a purist driving experience and looking to likely own longer than a lease term.
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6MT will always be classic...and ZCP is nothing more then a tiny cosmetic change.
Classic with classic..

6MT + NA V8.

I've read plenty here that the DCT is awesome, and it's not a fair comparison, but I had a rental car this week...a Camry with paddle shifters. I'm not trying ot compare an M car with a Camry, but just the mode of driving.

It's just normal for humans to take the path of least resistance given the circumstances and there's no way I would use those shifters much if my M was dct...I would just drive it like an automatic that it is.
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NA V8 plus 6MT just go hand-in-hand. There will never be another M3 like this!

ZCP is certainly a top priority, but far from a deal breaker on our generation M3. Comp pack is far more significant on the f8x platform.

Now that the tech is getting dated, I think many are seeking out models without iDrive.

Last, CF roofs or slick tops over a sunroof.
And, maybe our M's will also go up in value with the tariffs on Germany! yay!
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"...I would just drive it like an automatic that it is."


Oooooh boy...... here we go !!
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I've read plenty here that the DCT is awesome, and it's not a fair comparison, but I had a rental car this week...a Camry with paddle shifters. I'm not trying ot compare an M car with a Camry, but just the mode of driving.
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"...I would just drive it like an automatic that it is."


Oooooh boy...... here we go !!
I thought a similar thing once - flappy paddles are just a gimmick. I've never not owned a 6MT until now. I'd driven many paddle shifters or tiptronics and they were certainly all crap. I didn't even really like the SMG that much to be honest.

But have you driven the DCT? I agree, I was resistant at first, but after driving a few Ms with DCT, I found myself thinking more and more about it afterwards. Like a really interesting movie that you're contemplating the next day. It's a difficult thing to describe really, but somehow, someway, the DCT is just better than you. No matter what you do, you cannot shift as well as it does. It's something you just have to experience yourself.

Again, I'd like to think of myself as a purist deep down. Save the manuals. I'm 100% I'll buy a 6MT again - probably in my next car even. But give the DCT a try.
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Obviously the thing that will matter most is how many doors the M3 has, where "Four" is the correct answer
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Classic with classic..

6MT + NA V8.

I've read plenty here that the DCT is awesome, and it's not a fair comparison, but I had a rental car this week...a Camry with paddle shifters. I'm not trying ot compare an M car with a Camry, but just the mode of driving.

It's just normal for humans to take the path of least resistance given the circumstances and there's no way I would use those shifters much if my M was dct...I would just drive it like an automatic that it is.
I have also driven a Camry w/shift paddles and it's an apples to oranges comparison trying to extrapolate that to the DCT. Not even close. The Camry doesn't use a dual clutch and the BMW DCT is a completely different animal.

I've meen a MT guy since my driver's permit 31 years ago and this is the first non-MT car I've ever owned. I test drove both extensively and went DCT and have zero regrets. It just fits this engine and car so well and is sooooo good at what it does. I had people telling me I would get lazy and let the car shift for itself and 13 months later I am still using the paddles every time I drive it.

Now, what to do about that reflexive pressing of my left leg into the firewall...
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