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And thats why i purchased a M6 (coming from an e92 m3) . BTW I disagree on the Porsche feeling faster. Test drove a 911 Carrera S and even that felt slower than my e92 M3, although more nimble and carried more prestege!
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I would certainly hope that a brand new 911 would feel better than a generation old M3! However, when looking at the 997 cars, which were out at the same time as the e9x cars, I personally did not feel that the car was that much nicer than our cars. The brake feel was spectacular, but that's about it. I thought the car was far too subdued for what I was expecting from a 911. I'm guessing that in order to get the edge I was hoping for I'd need to get something aircooled or GTS/GT series 997. I have no regrets passing on the 997.
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Although I bought a 991.2 C4S with PDK, I will be keeping my E90 M3 with DCT. I can tell you when I am speeding through a twisty, I do not think about engine sound. Engine sound matters when when I WOT in a straight line. The glued down feeling around corners in a 911 should be something experienced! The E90 M3 wins in engine sound, seating and luggage space, and entry and exit. The 911 seating position feels at least 6 inches lower (this coming from a 5'6" guy). I'm lucky to have both!!
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Today's E92M3 is the Cobra GT350.....fantastic machine. Would take the GT350 over a 991 too. Only 911's that really appear special to me are the GT variants and they are stupidly priced. |
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11-01-2017, 07:16 AM | #30 |
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Enjoyed this review as a fellow canuck. I can relate to the sentiments. I have test driven 15 or so cars in the last 3 months in an effort to replace my 2016 Cayman S but nothing has stirred me. The trend towards turbos and non-manual s creating lots of cars that look good but lack soul.
The first time I drove the a 981S I was grinning from ear to ear and immediately wanted one... can't seem to find that feeling again, closest was a 2016 F type coupe awd r, but again non-manual |
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11-01-2017, 08:17 PM | #31 |
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The M4 may fall short in a few areas but is a more capable car in every way, its cheaper to make faster and will roll an e92 stock to stock. The interior is nicer, the brakes are better, it's lighter than the e92, it has a whole lot more torque which makes it a much nicer DD as far as just merging or etc .
I do own an E93 so I should be biased towards it but I would much rather have an M4, the E93 doesnt feel as smooth as the m4, the interior seems way dated since its basically a decade old, interior materials aren't any better than the m4 at all, the mpg is horrible just horrible I cant break 20mpg no matter how i drive, steering wheel is well worn after only 50k miles, dct trans is nice but m4 is better. Only real thing I like better is the motor sound and the e93/92 has some cleaner body lines. If driven back to back you'd be hard pressed to say the E92 is a better car in anyway other than the sound the S65 makes when flying to redline. |
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11-01-2017, 09:55 PM | #32 |
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I think the f8x looks amazing and I genuinely wish I liked it more but I feel it's more of a nice daily driver than an exhilarating weekend warrior.
I've come to the conclusion that, for me, the only way to improve upon everything I love about my car, I'll have to go GT3... if I can't then it's gonna be some kinda Porsche either way unless the new M3 is much better |
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E90: Better throttle response/lack of lag Better steering feel More predictable handling at the limit Less complicated/busy interior Far better sound I still don't have a sedan replacement in mind that I look forward to replacing the E90 with. Yeah the F8x is faster and more modern, but that's mostly just on paper X > Y stuff. That's not what makes a great car. Otherwise a Camry V6 would be considered a better car than a Jaguar E-Type.
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The f8x is way faster obviously and one big difference I noticed is how much quicker and smoother the dct is in the new car. Maybe a dct tune helps bridge this gap, but I can't say for sure. The f8x feels way quicker and smoother on shifts. |
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11-04-2017, 08:56 PM | #36 | |
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M4 has very little lag its literally praised for it in reviews and the s65 isnt super torquey as the power only builds as the revs do, M4 from a roll would destroy an e92. steering feel is an opinion. I can predict both cars and cant really make that statement after driving an m4 for a short trip and comparing that to a car you drive daily. e92 interior is far dated and is less busy since its just not as nice, my Z4M interior was nicer and simpler and held up way better, e93 interior just falls short and seats suck for holding you in. sound for sure yes i agree that v8 hum is awesome. your camry/jaguar comparison makes no sense to me. I think people cant put there bias aside, M4 is just better car and Id trade UP in a minute. |
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I had an M4, lowered with aftermarket exhaust and tuned. Loved the look of it. And it was really fast. But the sound, I just couldn't get over it. And it rode rougher than my lowered E93. Someone offered me a ton of money, so I sold it in a heartbeat. And barely missed it....except for the look of it (my tanzanite blue was super sexy, especially with my sandstone interior). But every drive in my E93 is special, because it sounds so much better. And I like my E93 seats too. I'll take my E93 any day over the M4. The V8 just sounds mesmerizing to me, worth every penny. I like speeding, but I realize that pure speed over an intoxicating sound wasn't a good trade off for me. Hec, if I wanted the ultimate in speed, I would have bought a Corvette Z06.....but even though that car is loud & ferocious as hell, it doesn't sound all that great either. It's almost too much racket, just loud, no sexiness. The old LS7 sounded better. The handling of the M4 was much higher, but with that turbo motor, it was harder to drive fast, for me. Even on the track, you had to be careful with the throttle. My E93 is more forgiving, and easier for me to control and drive fast...and I like that. I trust the E93 more, even with all its weight. Yes, the E9X interior is showing its age, but I have a loaded 2013, and it's pretty nice in its own right. Ultimately, for a performance car that I drive on long trips, I just couldn't get over how rough my M4 rode, coupled with that uninspired engine note. At WOT, it was fine, but I didn't spend enough time at WOT for it to matter. Even at low speeds, my E93 just sounds nice....everyone who rides in the car notices immediately. In my M4, everyone loved how it looked inside and out. That's what I miss most....that body, and that white interior. Last edited by KevinGS; 11-27-2017 at 11:44 AM.. |
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I realized a long time ago that there will always be a faster car. So chasing numbers gets a bit pointless after a while.
But there won't always be a car that feels special. The S65 in the E9x M3 feels special. |
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OP, interesting review of your test drives. I sold my F80 due to the lack of emotion, "M-ness", or whatever that tingly thing is that hits you when you drive the previous generations. Shortly after selling it, my wife wanted something else, so I took her to drive a lightly used 991.1 CS. She got out of it and said "eh, it's a great car, but it doesn't have what I'm looking for".
From the look in her eye, I knew what she wanted. I found a 2 year old C7 Z07 pkg Z06, with 600 miles on it and bought it for $40k less than MSRP. She absolutely loved it. It was fast, comfortable, far superior interior to my old C6 and was beautiful (Shark Grey, w/ red interior and Comp seats). We had it for a year, not one issue and we thoroughly enjoyed it. She was driving that and a '17 Hellcat Charger, which she still has, so she's ok for now. Back to the M3. I'm now looking for a ZCP E92 for some of the same reasons you stated. I think it's the best package in quite some time. Numbers aren't everything, hell you could turbocharge a stop sign and run 10s... There is so much more to enjoyment than just straight line speed. The FXX M's are great cars, but I don't think they're great M cars. They've been diluted, sign of the times, I guess. Regards, John |
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If I ever got a 911, it would need to be a manual 997 GT3RS or an air cooled 930 or 964 Turbo. But for significantly less money, there are many other cars I'd consider first, including the Shelby GT350. |
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Yes, the 911s are almost too good at times, almost too serene. But I love them nonetheless, especially the 991. I'll be looking for a used 911GTS in a few years, saving my pennies now for it. It's the perfect mix for me....silly fast, but almost imperceptibly so....and it handles almost telepathically. I love it. The 911 engine note still isn't all that thrilling to me until you're at or near WOT, which basically requires a track.....but I'd be willing to live with it. F8X platform feels nothing like a 911, though they're both fast and have great handling capabilities. But the 911 is more controllable, and more usable on the street. And then when you want to just cruise around, it's pretty damn comfortable...and quiet. For me, someone who likes to take long trips, this dual-character is ideal for me. Last edited by KevinGS; 01-04-2018 at 01:45 AM.. |
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Amazing how the E92 guys trash the F80/F82 guys and the E46 guys trash the E92 guys.
The point is you don't like the newer M's. I get it. But do we need a War and Peace post? Be happy with you got. Only losers trash something they don't have. |
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Taking it pretty hard that people call the F series out for what it is? Take note tho cause many of us “losers” owned them already and came back.
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