$800 intake vs $80 filter. Any difference?

Singletrack · 09-11-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Again, why do they owe you any dyno results? Just because they sell that product? I just don't understand that logic. BTW, they sell the Dinan intake as too... do they owe you a dyno graph for that as well? If you have any issues with Macht Schnell or Dinan take it up with them... or better yet, just skip that purchase.

You have reading comprehension problems.

J08M3 · 09-11-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

My spelling must suck. In which post does IND say that the intake doesn't make power?

In which post do they say it does? What was the HP increase? and where is the dyno sheet???

J08M3 · 09-11-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Again, why do they owe you any dyno results? Just because they sell that product? I just don't understand that logic. BTW, they sell the Dinan intake as too... do they owe you a dyno graph for that as well? If you have any issues with Macht Schnell or Dinan take it up with them... or better yet, just skip that purchase.

No one owes anything. I just brought up IND cause I know they are well respected and they are the only ones I've seen put this thing on an independent dyno, and the are also the only ones who never posted the results. That's all. No one is saying anything bad towards IND, don't get so upset. They were used as the example cause they ARE so well respected.

WayneM3 · 09-11-2011, 08:42 AM

I recently bought a used AFE intake and while I can't say if there is any power gain I can say that I absolutely LOVE the sound. It transforms the driving of the car for me because it is tame when you want it to be and ROARS when you want it to. That combined with the exhaust (UUC/Corsa) makes me smile every time I rev the car. The intake (at least at a used price) was well worth it to me.

Singletrack · 09-11-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by J08M3

In which post do they say it does? What was the HP increase? and where is the dyno sheet???

They post the Macht Schnell dyno graph which shows gains - you can look at the increases there.

Singletrack · 09-11-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Care to explain?

Because of a comment you made earlier?

Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass hat, I just don't understand why a vendor selling tons of products owes you an independent dyno verification.

IND did a dyno on their own of the MS S2 intake, I never asked them to or expected them to do a dyno. Joe implied that the reason the results were never posted was because they are not positive. I spelled that out because I am rather tired of people making, seemingly, factual statements without any actual facts to back them up.

J08M3 · 09-11-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

They post the Macht Schnell dyno graph which shows gains - you can look at the increases there.

Posting the MS dyno is meaningless. It's not independent. Not any different than the companies that make axle back mufflers claiming 16 hp. which many do. We all know not to trust the company making the product for a dyno

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

IND did a dyno on their own of the MS S2 intake, I never asked them to or expected them to do a dyno. Joe implied that the reason the results were never posted was because they are not positive. I spelled that out because I am rather tired of people making, seemingly, factual statements without any actual facts to back them up.

It seems pretty obvious that they were not posted because they were not positive. I don't know who Joe is. But it still proves the point that no independent dyno has shown gains. What ever the reason they didn't post it is not important. Point is none have been posted by and indy shop.

RandyB · 09-11-2011, 09:35 AM

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Buy the filter and call it a day....

FIFY

Singletrack · 09-11-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by J08M3

Posting the MS dyno is meaningless. It's not independent. Not any different than the companies that make axle back mufflers claiming 16 hp. which many do. We all know not to trust the company making the product for a dyno

It's not meaningless. If they don't have any confidence in the product, then they shouldn't stand behind it. If you look at post 8 of his thread I say we need indy dynos.

Intakes are not for show, I totally reject that suggestion; which has been made by a few people. Shit, the stock intake looks really nice to me.

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It seems pretty obvious that they were not posted because they were not positive. I don't know who Joe is. But it still proves the point that no independent dyno has shown gains. What ever the reason they didn't post it is not important. Point is none have been posted by and indy shop.

So it is obvious to you that IND couldn't show gains so they fabricated an excuse? Perhaps it is actually as they said - they couldnt get on the dyno they wanted to use and the dyno they did get on did not provide the requested service.

ASGM3 · 09-11-2011, 01:15 PM

Buy it if you like it

chungdae · 09-11-2011, 03:41 PM

If you want to buy it for HP it really is pointless. But you should buy it; you'll help the economy.

J08M3 · 09-11-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

It's not meaningless. If they don't have any confidence in the product, then they shouldn't stand behind it. If you look at post 8 of his thread I say we need indy dynos.

Intakes are not for show, I totally reject that suggestion; which has been made by a few people. Shit, the stock intake looks really nice to me.

So it is obvious to you that IND couldn't show gains so they fabricated an excuse? Perhaps it is actually as they said - they couldnt get on the dyno they wanted to use and the dyno they did get on did not provide the requested service.

You are of the minority that think it's not meaningless. If you like to 100% trust the dyno graphs from the manufacturer of the product that is your choice. Most choose not too. As most of us know it's too easy to make a few hp show up on a dyno.

It's not obvious that IND couldn't show gains, even though it is portrayed that way. But it's not the piont as to why I mentioned them in the first place if you follow me. I simply stated that no independent dynos have been posted showing gains. For all we really know it could've made 100 hp for IND. Point is there is still no dyno graph showing it. Follow me now? Whatever their excuse is really doesn't matter. It's still not posted by an independent test.

11' AW M3 · 09-11-2011, 04:42 PM

been waiting for a lonnnnnggg time to verify EAS's claims... nope, nothing. IND went silent after testing it- that says it all to me.

BlackSaphr · 09-11-2011, 05:33 PM

Go with a drop in filter, put the money towards a set of wheels or X pipe instead.

LarThaL · 09-11-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

They post the Macht Schnell dyno graph which shows gains - you can look at the increases there.

Yes, but the real question is whether you would see the same gains using just their filter?

SV Concepts · 09-12-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saeedg48

sorry to all those vender out there you're going to shoot me for revealing
the truth but the stock intake is better then anything out there.

I personally don't own any guns so you're safe on that front but I will say that a customer of ours installed the aFe filter a while back, and has now switched to the full Dinan intake. Said he could feel better response with both upgrades, and is much happier with his car.

Jbook · 09-12-2011, 12:20 PM

I definitely felt a difference in the pull above 4k RPMs when I put in the aFe drop-in filter. I'd say that's def worth $100. I upgraded to the Dinan intake and I felt more pull than the filter, but I def would not say it was worth $1000... I'm assuming I mainly paid for the CF. I don't regret spending the money on it because the car sounds and feels better than it did before. Plus I get some "ooohs" and "ahhs" when I pop my hood and the Dinan CF is there. I can definitely understand someone saying my reasons don't justify the cost, but no one is forcing anyone to buy something they don't feel is worth their hard earned money.

benzo23 · 09-12-2011, 01:14 PM

At the end of the day these companies are in business to make money, nothing more nothing less. They could give two shits if your car makes 20 hp or 2...it doesnt matter, its a business. Drop a AA filter in and save 700 dollars. Done

CCLSVTM3 · 09-17-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

Let your wallet be your guide.....there are far too many "experts" on wall$treet. Go for what you know and call it a day...............Phil

+1...

pbonsalb · 10-20-2011, 06:35 AM

Eurotuner tested an AFE intake and exhaust and gained no power from either.

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...ver/index.html

The AFE filter is smaller than stock, but maybe the theory is that the oval conical design makes better use of the air box better because the top of the stock filter is pretty much covered by the airbox lid.

I put a K&N in there, for whatever that is worth.

S65V8 · 11-16-2011, 05:51 PM

eh, drop-in is worth $60. For an imaginary 6hp for full intake, not worth $500+...

GMW · 11-16-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 11' AW M3

been waiting for a lonnnnnggg time to verify EAS's claims... nope, nothing. IND went silent after testing it- that says it all to me.

Agree completely +1

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Jbook Lieutenant Colonel 163 Rep 1,506 Posts Drives: '15 FO M4 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NorCal Bay Area iTrader: (23) Garage List 2011 BMW E90 M3 [9.44]	I definitely felt a difference in the pull above 4k RPMs when I put in the aFe drop-in filter. I'd say that's def worth $100. I upgraded to the Dinan intake and I felt more pull than the filter, but I def would not say it was worth $1000... I'm assuming I mainly paid for the CF. I don't regret spending the money on it because the car sounds and feels better than it did before. Plus I get some "ooohs" and "ahhs" when I pop my hood and the Dinan CF is there. I can definitely understand someone saying my reasons don't justify the cost, but no one is forcing anyone to buy something they don't feel is worth their hard earned money. __________________ Fire Orange F82 Built by Alekshop \| Pure Stage 2 Turbos \| Akrapovic Evolution and Downpipes \| ESS T-500 Performance ECU Software \| Evolution Racewerks Chargepipes \| Gruppe M CAI \| Awron Gauge w/ Valve Control \| KW Clubsport \| Brembo GT 380 F&R \| 19" BBS FI-R \| BMW Performance Seats, Aero, and Steering Wheel \| Vorsteiner Diffuser \| IND Cosmetics
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benzo23 Colonel 74 Rep 2,848 Posts Drives: 14 F30 AW MSport Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: FL iTrader: (1)	At the end of the day these companies are in business to make money, nothing more nothing less. They could give two shits if your car makes 20 hp or 2...it doesnt matter, its a business. Drop a AA filter in and save 700 dollars. Done
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pbonsalb Lieutenant General 5234 Rep 10,616 Posts Drives: 18 F90 M5, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New England iTrader: (4)	Eurotuner tested an AFE intake and exhaust and gained no power from either. http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...ver/index.html The AFE filter is smaller than stock, but maybe the theory is that the oval conical design makes better use of the air box better because the top of the stock filter is pretty much covered by the airbox lid. I put a K&N in there, for whatever that is worth.
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S65V8 _ 808 Rep 3,160 Posts Drives: ... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (10)	eh, drop-in is worth $60. For an imaginary 6hp for full intake, not worth $500+...
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