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Your stating that the cold limiter was not functional is a clear indicator that it was not tuned. We have customers verify whether the tune is still installed or not by checking this specific behavior on cold start. If you'd like to provide your VIN we can check again on your options. The code is the code, and the facts are the facts. We do not run any richer than stock on a Catless car. You indicated that the very function we introduced to protect cold engines was not functional, which is a black and white indicator that our software was not loaded. One part of the software can not be loaded while another part is there. It is either completely there or is not at all. I am sorry that you find our replies defensive and wish you the best with your car and resolving your running rich issue.
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I would NEVER expect anything for free. I'm a small business owner, myself. But $600 for a cable and to update the name in your support ticket system and/or CRM is highway robbery, pun intended. You know damn well based on the other evidence I've provided the car was tuned. You should probably just stop now. There is no reason for you to drag this out. I thanked you, I didn't criticize your tune, nothing. You had nothing to gain. Now you just look like an argumentative, butt hurt liar. I don't know why. I still haven't bad mouthed you, at all. You could have simply just not replied, at all. Nothing lost. Nothing gained. Now you look like a bit of a prick in front of a portion of your potential client base. You've already indicated you're successful, I'd imagine deservedly so, I don't know why having me choose another tuner would upset you that much that you'd hang out here internet arguing with a stranger from your business account on a Sunday night. What purpose could this possibly serve?
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Sent you a PM with regard to the quote you received... That is certainly not what you should have been quoted.
You seem very angry and aggressive. We do not know "damn well" whether a car is tuned or not, that was purchased second hand, with no cable or software. There is no way for us to check in this scenario. You stated yourself that the cold start protection was not functioning, and this is clear indication that the car did not have our software loaded. I explained that this is one of the first ways we ask customers to determine if it's tuned. We never doubted that the software was loaded until you made this statement, which is the most apparent indicator. You can make personal attacks but they are unwarranted. There is nothing we are being untruthful about, again this is black or white.. If the cold start rev limit protection was selected with the software spec, and the RPM limiter is not 4,500 when the car is dead cold, then the software was NOT currently installed. Please check your PM with reference to the quote you received so we can make sure that doesn't happen again.
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- I've not made a personal attack.
- I've not been aggressive. - Liar may have been the wrong word. But there are other indicators the car was tuned, which were conveniently ignored in your reply. - This thread was NEVER even about your tune, I'm not quite sure why you're still here shitting on my thread. - I will be on the lookout for a PM. Haven't received yet. - whether or not I receive your PM, I wish you the best of luck. Some people just don't click and aren't meant to do business together. No sweat. Thanks again for your contributions, positive and negative, Mike.
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Saying that we look like a butt hurt liar for stating facts seems a bit aggressive, perhaps I am off beat here.
The tune isn't the issue, I'm not trying to "shit" on your thread but provide the best way to determine, track down, and solve your issue. I will resend the PM again, thank you.
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Alright. I PM'd BPMsport back. I misspoke, I was quoted $100 less than I'd previously stated.
Again- my intent wasn't to shit-talk BPM in anyway. I'm confident his tune is not the direct reason for any of my problems. We'll clear up our disconnect via PM (which we should have done from the start). I'll report back with my running rich findings, although I've been sitting in a parking lot with my car running and the windows down for 20 minutes internet arguing from my phone and the car smells very little.
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Keep in mind that when changing versions the adaptations are reset completely, so there might have been a learned behavior from before that could have been affecting fuel trims. I checked the previous owner's order from 2014 and the option to decrease the redline at startup was one of the selected options. Always diagnose issues like this with bone stock software. If it smells when bone stock and then doesn't with the tune, that is a problem as well. Stock should always be used as a baseline for isolating issues and working out problems. Appreciate it
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I did a little research on BPM last night. You're a real treat to the forums you haven't been banned from. I know you'll keep coming back and arguing, it's sort of your modus operandi. Not sure why you won't just leave my thread alone and move on.
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You are pretty new here and there are some very smart cats on this forum. You have to know what you are talking about if you want to argue. I am not picking a fight with you, but quite a few things don't add up.
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The only thing I noticed was that the car didn't have cold start protection. However, i did not verify this. My tach didn't show a redline of 4500 rpm. Nor does it now with the Alpine tune. I have not attempted to rev my engine during cold start, so I have not verified that cold start protection is or isn't there. What I am willing to bet is that something is wrong with my gauge. The fact that I did verify no speed limiter, no CEL or codes with no primary cats, much tighter steering/servo in M mode, and me verifying with the previous owner it was, in fact, tuned by BPM, seems like enough to say it was tuned by BPM. Here's the thing- I never said it was any fault of the tune. Just saying it was tuned. That is THE ONLY thing I've argued. The only. I, also, appreciate you sharing your wisdom here, I don't claim to know everything, if I did I'd not have started this thread. I'm simply saying "yo- it was tuned, and I'm not saying it was the tune anyway, so leave me and this damn thread alone" THAT IS ALL. Alternatively, you can provide me with some insight into how all other indicators of the tune being on the car (keeping in mind i actually haven't verified cold start protection but the tach isn't showing it). That would be helpful, rather than telling me how new I am here and that I should listen, or whatever. Read back through the thread, I've done that. I've been receptive, and thankful. I've only argued with BPM about one damn thing, which he's wrong about. The car had a tune. Edit: I've attached a screenshot of a video from a few months ago, when it had the BPM tune (it's only six seconds, so I couldn't upload to YouTube) of the car running during cold start. You can see the yellow is only at about 6100/6200 RPM, which lead me to believe it may not have had the advertised 4500 rpm cold start protection from BPM, however, it's still showing the same thing for the Alpine tune, so maybe there is something wrong with the gauge. On first start with the new tune that warning and redline went way down, to like 3500 or 4500. It's not done it again. This is the only reason i thought it suddenly had CS protection but didn't previously.
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your car is actually running lean and the car is compensating by throwing more fuel at it to try to get it back to normal range. lean means leaks.
seriously, check your header to xpipe for leaks. also, check your pre-cat o2 sensor bungs - sometimes a slightly longer one can have the sensor read incorrectly. what you should do is run live data (i used a $30 obd scan tool from amazon) and check out your o2s1 voltage as well as your short term and long term fuel trims. when you swapped xpipes, did you put in a new donut gasket? i went through this for two months lol
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