Sport Auto Comparison Test: M3 vs. Audi RS5 review

Voltigeur · 06-18-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by southlight

I'm sorry, but I don't want them to be after me.

Fair enough, mate! Perhaps you will be able to post the link once this magazin issue is past. For now they just mention the cover story:

"BMW M3 Coupé und Audi RS5: Zwei sportliche V8-Coupés mit über 400 PS im Duell."

ie, BMW M3 & RS 5: two sporty V8 coupes with over 400 hp in a duel.

-- V

Finnegan · 06-18-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FStop7

When people on here have weighed their cars it turns out they're closer to between 3500 - 3600 depending on options. Still not a lightweight but better than what BMW's published numbers are.

Yeah, I think you're right, some folks have come back with those weights. Weren't those cars with minimal options (6MT, speedcloth, no nav, no PDC, no heated seats, no split/fold-down seats, no sat radio, etc.)?

I looked at the weight thread and Lucid came back with a 3,450 pound weight (tech, premium, coupe/cf), and yet an e90 fully loaded with sunroof and all options came in at 3,740.

I didn't spend a lot of time trying to cross-reference other threads and I couldn't get to the heart of the weight differences (Lucid did find a bunch of trunk weight to ditch, insulation, mobility, carpet, etc....so that probably accounts for maybe 50 or so pounds).

bobbyd1961 · 06-18-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by southlight

I was wondering how long it takes until someone mentions this.

Best regards,
south

wow south you are a real audi supporter do you drive a bmw ?

UsualSuspect · 06-18-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

lol no it cant. the average idiot wont be able to tell an A5 from an RS5. that same idiot wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 328 or an M3.
Yea, ok, maybe because its rarer you can say that its more exclusive, but in the end they all look the same. do you honestly think that any R8 driver (c**k, realy) is going to thing you can hang with them? No.

Your USERNAME IS GREAT!

bobbyd1961 · 06-18-2010, 04:53 PM

when will the rs5 be available in the united states? anyone know?

signes · 06-18-2010, 04:58 PM

Will be interesting to see the real USD price over here when offered for the RS5. Kind of a shame, they had an opportunity to make the RS5 into something really special and they seem to have missed that mark by a mile.

Not an Audi hater (have owned them almost bought an RS4), but it sounds pretty unimpressive for what will be a steep premium over an E9x. A lot of show and not as much go.

Yardmon · 06-18-2010, 05:00 PM

Styling Q's on the Audi RS5 are OK. But the M3 is the M3. Once you drive one. you must have one.

mcacciola · 06-18-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BallsBrawn
I would buy the RS5 regardless. Its much more exclusive than the M3 and it can hang out with more expensive cars based on looks.

Quote2:
BTW the resale value of the RS5 will hold up better than the M3
Those are two of the most ridiculous reasons (first two of course) to buy a car.

+1

Voltigeur · 06-18-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbyd1961

wow south you are a real audi supporter do you drive a bmw ?

No, I think south just likes it that someone was (a) observant and (b) being unbiased in noting a categorywhere the rs5 outshone the m3.

Finnegan · 06-18-2010, 05:11 PM

Exactly.

Meff · 06-18-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Liquid

Nobody has mentioned the glaring discrepancy in the 0-100kph times. That is hardly beating the RS5 in all performance categories.

5.0 for the M is not the norm either though - most tests have shown 4.6 - 4.8

Car and Driver reported a 4.4 in their first drive review July '07

southlight · 06-18-2010, 05:17 PM

First of all, I made the RS5 weigh even more than it did. Actually, it's 1,816 kg or 4,004 lbs. Sorry for that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltigeur

Fair enough, mate! Perhaps you will be able to post the link once this magazin issue is past. For now they just mention the cover story:

"BMW M3 Coupé und Audi RS5: Zwei sportliche V8-Coupés mit über 400 PS im Duell."

ie, BMW M3 & RS 5: two sporty V8 coupes with over 400 hp in a duel.

-- V

Sure, they'll probably have that story online in some weeks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyd1961

wow south you are a real audi supporter do you drive a bmw ?

Not so fast. I first wrote "It's not so much a surprise that the M3 beat the RS5 in all performance categories". It was only a matter of time until someone pointed out that the RS5 actually was better in one category, so my statement of the M3 beating the RS5 in all performance categories was wrong. I accept your apology.

Best regards,
south

Archon · 06-18-2010, 05:23 PM

Where's the reply from the Simon Cowell of this forum? Too busy crying over today's England vs Algeria result

He replied with a bunch of excuses in my last post claiming "Fail" for the RS5 and I decided not to reply back to be respectful of this forum.

With this result and the less than stellar UK reviews, it is safe to say Audi did not better the M3 despite the additional money and time.

m33 · 06-18-2010, 05:41 PM

The only Audi's that look decient Are rs4 , r8 s8 all others look gay !!!
And the M3 looks by far much better then the rs5 ( such a gorky looking car )...

conradb · 06-18-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EmPower

I agree, and if you are a real enthusiast, you should get a boxter/cayman. Those will eat these cars for breakfast on the roads that were mentioned.

I forget which publication did it (road & track?), but the M3 destroyed the Cayman S and Carrera S on the track.

southlight · 06-18-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltigeur

No, I think south just likes it that someone was (a) observant and (b) being unbiased in noting a categorywhere the rs5 outshone the m3.

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Originally Posted by Finnegan

Exactly.

Thanks guys!

BTW: I added these in-gear acceleration figures to the first post:

	E92 M3	RS5
in-gear acceleration	4th/5th/6th/7th	4th/5th/6th/7th
80 - 100 kph	2.1s/2.6s/3.1s/4.2s	2.6s/3.4s/4.2s/5.5s
80 - 120 kph	4.4s/5.4s/6.1s/8.1s	5.1s/6.7s/8.6s/10.8s
80 - 140 kph	6.6s/8.2s/9.3s/12.0s	7.7s/9.8s/12.9s/16.6s
80 - 160 kph	8.9s/11.0s/12.8s/16.3s	10.4s/13.1s/17.2s/22.6s
80 - 180 kph	11.4s/14.2s/16.8s/20.9s	13.4s/16.7s/22.2s/29.4s

Best regards,
south

conradb · 06-18-2010, 05:52 PM

Price for overall performance in the sporty luxury car segment would dictate the M3 the superior buy across the 3 big german mfgs.

/thread

If you buy a sports car like a C63 AMG, M3, or RS5 to just look good on the road, you're a douche anyway. Just buy a 7er instead.

shiggy · 06-18-2010, 06:08 PM

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shiggy · 06-18-2010, 06:17 PM

DAMN!!!....Audi must be pissed!!!
they developed the RS5 to be the M3 killer....and had the M3 for 3 years to disect....3 years to build an M3 killer....oh man...this is what you call EPIC FAIL!!!
Footie: Talk to your people at Audi and tell them to spend less time chasing BMW and to focus on what they do best...work on their weaknesses....listen to their customers....spend some time doing customer surveys.....how to reduce weight...perhaps develop a RWD car.....quit spending so much time chasing BMW or trying to beat BMW...it's never going to happen!

Alpin3_F30 · 06-18-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shiggy

DAMN!!!....Audi must be pissed!!!
they developed the RS5 to be the M3 killer....and had the M3 for 3 years to disect....3 years to build an M3 killer....oh man...this is what you call EPIC FAIL!!!

isnt the 1 series an M3 killer? isnt that kinda bad? the M3 should be right under the M5 in speed and power not M5, 1 series then the M3. i think that right there is an Epic Fail. Wait till the M1/1M comes out then the M3 will be just as slow as an audi

Kiemyster · 06-18-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Archon

it is safe to say Audi did not better the M3 despite the additional money and time.

especially with such a massive price difference. M3 clearly takes the cake, hands down.

manuelf · 06-18-2010, 06:39 PM

just read the article today in the Sport Auto.
tester/author was Anja Wassertheurer. She is a very fast driver - participating also at the 24h at Nürburgring.

I was totally shocked/surprised by this article.
I expected the RS5 to take a slight win over M3. But it was completely the other way round.
There was not ONE point where the RS5 could shine.
RS5: Heavy as hell, very bad steering
High speed driving comfort on the Autobahn was way better in the M3 with the EDC
Fuel consumption lower with M3
DCT/Motor characteristic of M3 better
Handling (slalom) M3 much faster
Hockenheim race track: M3 1,1s faster
....

Frankly speaking and reading a bit between the lines: It was a slating review by the sport auto magazine. And just for your info. Sport Auto is the benchmark of all german car magazines for sport car enthusiasts.

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mcacciola Second Lieutenant 29 Rep 220 Posts Drives: 09 335i, Silver - M Sport Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: miami, fl usa iTrader: (0)	Quote: Originally Posted by BallsBrawn I would buy the RS5 regardless. Its much more exclusive than the M3 and it can hang out with more expensive cars based on looks. Quote2: BTW the resale value of the RS5 will hold up better than the M3 Those are two of the most ridiculous reasons (first two of course) to buy a car. +1 Last edited by mcacciola; 06-18-2010 at 05:08 PM.. Reason: mistype
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shiggy Major 58 Rep 1,305 Posts Drives: BMW 2009 M3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: vancouver iTrader: (2)	DAMN!!!....Audi must be pissed!!! they developed the RS5 to be the M3 killer....and had the M3 for 3 years to disect....3 years to build an M3 killer....oh man...this is what you call EPIC FAIL!!! Footie: Talk to your people at Audi and tell them to spend less time chasing BMW and to focus on what they do best...work on their weaknesses....listen to their customers....spend some time doing customer surveys.....how to reduce weight...perhaps develop a RWD car.....quit spending so much time chasing BMW or trying to beat BMW...it's never going to happen! __________________ 2009 Jet Black E92 M3, DCT, Nav, Novillo Leather, PDC, EDC, BBS CHR's 20", Yokohama Advan Sports Tires, Eiback Pro-Kit Springs, Dinan Pullies and Dinan Stage1 software, black grills, black side gills, alcantara shift and ebrake boot.
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manuelf Second Lieutenant 348 Rep 263 Posts Drives: BMW M4 F82 LCI Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	just read the article today in the Sport Auto. tester/author was Anja Wassertheurer. She is a very fast driver - participating also at the 24h at Nürburgring. I was totally shocked/surprised by this article. I expected the RS5 to take a slight win over M3. But it was completely the other way round. There was not ONE point where the RS5 could shine. RS5: Heavy as hell, very bad steering High speed driving comfort on the Autobahn was way better in the M3 with the EDC Fuel consumption lower with M3 DCT/Motor characteristic of M3 better Handling (slalom) M3 much faster Hockenheim race track: M3 1,1s faster .... Frankly speaking and reading a bit between the lines: It was a slating review by the sport auto magazine. And just for your info. Sport Auto is the benchmark of all german car magazines for sport car enthusiasts.
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