Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by BanjoPaterson

Thank you very, very much for your reply; and apologies if it seemed an ignorant question, but I'd rather be red-faced than miss an obvious sign of pending engine failure. I'll try to get another video later this afternoon and see if there is actually a suspicious noise or if it's just my paranoia. If I get anything suspicious, I'll post.

Once again, thank you very much for taking the time to listen and reply.

Thanks for your PM's !

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by 2jzinsider

Popped my engine last week. 2011 dtc completion with 62k miles. I drive the car hard daily hitting redline whenever I get the chance. I purchased it as a certified pre owned BMW at 32k miles.

Anyway...

Did a hard 1st to 2nd from a stop light and the car shut off... Started the car back on and went straight to the dealer and took it in for a loaner. Service adviser just called me today and said that the bearings are toast.... The third party warranty is going to cover a brand new engine and gave the green light for the dealer to start ordering parts. Before I got off the phone my service adviser said "you are lucky cause parts is almost 25k alone" 🙌🏽

Glad you're covered! What warranty company?

Have you had any Blackstone reports?

[///MTex]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

No , In the US it's about 20-22K for a rebuilt engine by BMW .
Did you heard any rattle noises from your S65 when your BF happened ?
"Sorry about your luck" ,and sadly because I said this also to someone else on here and only 5 hours ago...above .

Ha ha. You did, but his luck is much better than mine because he has an extended warranty. After this experience, I'm considering getting one on my next BMW.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by bqureshi

Ha ha. You did, but his luck is much better than mine because he has an extended warranty. After this experience, I'm considering getting one on my next BMW.

Yep , I saw that about his extented warranty but saw also some cases when the warranty not covered the BF .
You know the small letters in the contract , anyway let's hope it turns out in the right direction .
And of course I wish you the best of luck , sad part of all this is to see all the troubles of our S65 engines , while BMW still sticks their heads in the sand , thinking about the value of your car that is decreased with about -65% with a broken engine .
Good luck...

[Tracyis300]

Been searching around and I can't find any E90's that had RB failure?

I only see preventive maintenance, and the RB's are in decent shape?!

Are the E90 S65's built differently? Or am i not looking hard enough to justify that it doesn't matter on the body trim?

[pbonsalb]

You did not look very well. No difference between the S65 in an E90, E92 or E93.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by vsix

Street only driven is ment by you as pussy driven car's?

Something that is almost impossible to convey to people that have not driven on track is that you literally can't drive your car hard on the street, at any level of bravery/stupidity/disregard for the law. It's physically impossible, due to not knowing what's around the next corner. If you don't leave a margin, you're dead within a day.

On track, you're car is in one of 3 modes, or a combination of 2:
1) WOT in the lowest possible gear
2) 100% braking
3) Cornering at the limit of the tires

Food for thought, brake pad and tire life on track is measured in hours or days of use (without burnouts to artificially age them). Average fuel economy is in the low single digits, spread out over multiple days. Many people do oil/trans/diff fluid changes after a weekend of driving.


So, yes. Comparatively street is very "pussy".

[rantarM3]

Did someone mention rod bearings?

I found this short article about Hyundai's:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hyunda...114318983.html

Thought it was interesting.

[Leonardo629]

So we'll hear something in 2~3 years? Or God forbid, someone has to get hurt in order for NHTSA to step in.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Something that is almost impossible to convey to people that have not driven on track is that you literally can't drive your car hard on the street, at any level of bravery/stupidity/disregard for the law. It's physically impossible, due to not knowing what's around the next corner. If you don't leave a margin, you're dead within a day.

On track, you're car is in one of 3 modes, or a combination of 2:
1) WOT in the lowest possible gear
2) 100% braking
3) Cornering at the limit of the tires

Food for thought, brake pad and tire life on track is measured in hours or days of use (without burnouts to artificially age them). Average fuel economy is in the low single digits, spread out over multiple days. Many people do oil/trans/diff fluid changes after a weekend of driving.


So, yes. Comparatively street is very "pussy".

Very true. You really cannot drive your car on the street like you can on the track. You just cannot. Lots of guys who don't track think they can, but once they have their first track day their eyes open.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

Very true. You really cannot drive your car on the street like you can on the track. You just cannot. Lots of guys who don't track think they can, but once they have their first track day their eyes open.

+1

No matter how aggressively and illegally you drive on the street, you'll never see anything close to track conditions.

Once you've been to the track, you'd understand that fast street driving can be fun but you are no where near the limit. Being on a public road with bumps, other cars and road imperfections means you can't go all out otherwise you'd be dead or have totaled your car. A track is designed for you go fast and drive at the limit.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

No , In the US it's about 20-22K for a rebuilt engine by BMW .

BMW Morristown online parts price for the S65 is $15,155 and current BMWNA MSRP for the S65 is $18,943.90.

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

I'm at 118K. This stuff's ridiculous

It is, since your post we've got two more blown up. Beyond ridiculous. Bmw should be ashamed. How many more before you pull your head out of the sand?

[Doc Oc]

Anyone who thinks the track is the only place you can drive "not like a pussy" obviously hasn't spent anytime on the tail of the dragon or highway 421 (the snake) or 151. I promise there are more twists and turns on those roads than any track you've been on. Maybe the speeds aren't as high but we are talking more than 300 hair pins, switch backs, and chicanes in 10 miles. Make a mistake there and you dont run into hay bails, you go off a mountain. Pussy driving.lol. The ego of some people.

[okusa]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

Anyone who thinks the track is the only place you can drive "not like a pussy" obviously hasn't spent anytime on the tail of the dragon or highway 421 (the snake) or 151. I promise there are more twists and turns on those roads than any track you've been on. Maybe the speeds aren't as high but we are talking more than 300 hair pins, switch backs, and chicanes in 10 miles. Make a mistake there and you dont run into hay bails, you go off a mountain. Pussy driving.lol. The ego of some people.

I think you overlooked the key phrase which is "at the limit". Obviously if your downside is a plummet to your death off a cliff you won't test the limit. The track is the only safe place you can do that.

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by okusa

I think you overlooked the key phrase which is "at the limit". Obviously if your downside is a plummet to your death off a cliff you won't test the limit. The track is the only safe place you can do that.

I guess it depends how you define at the limits. 10 miles with 318 turns taken over and over at high rpm and also at the very limits of traction most of the time qualifies for me but I get where you are coming from. Speeds are much higher on the track and the consequences of screwing up are much less, leading you to push harder. You are definitely coming in faster and braking harder, but each presents its own challenges and I wouldn't use the term " pussy driving" for anything non track. Pussy driving is DD.

[okusa]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

I guess it depends how you define at the limits. 10 miles with 318 turns taken over and over at high rpm and also at the very limits of traction most of the time qualifies for me but I get where you are coming from. Speeds are much higher on the track and the consequences of screwing up are much less, leading you to push harder. You are definitely coming in faster and braking harder, but each presents its own challenges and I wouldn't use the term " pussy driving" for anything non track. Pussy driving is DD.

"Pussy driving" is clearly an inappropriate characterization.

[pbonsalb]

99% of these cars are entirely street driven and have never seen the tail of the dragon. Yet even some of these entirely street driven cars are failing. BMW does advertise them as high revving race car inspired high performance cars for driving enthusiasts.

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

99% of these cars are entirely street driven and have never seen the tail of the dragon. Yet even some of these entirely street driven cars are failing. BMW does advertise them as high revving race car inspired high performance cars for driving enthusiasts.

It really is disconcerting isn't it? Even with new bearings I'm still loathe to push it hard very often. We go up to the mountains once a month where I beat the shit out of it for a couole days but otherwise it sits in the garage most of the time. It is the best overall car I have ever owned and I truly love driving it, but I wish I'd never bought it. Too many common, expensive issues. My 04 m3 was a nightmare once it hit 75k (which I'm fast approaching) so I'll probably sell it before then unfortunately. I don't think we will buy another. My daughter's x3 has been a nightmare too. Ive lost all confidence in the brand.

[HenryChinaski]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

It really is disconcerting isn't it? Even with new bearings I'm still loathe to push it hard very often. We go up to the mountains once a month where I beat the shit out of it for a couole days but otherwise it sits in the garage most of the time. It is the best overall car I have ever owned and I truly love driving it, but I wish I'd never bought it. Too many common, expensive issues. My 04 m3 was a nightmare once it hit 75k (which I'm fast approaching) so I'll probably sell it before then unfortunately. I don't think we will buy another. My daughter's x3 has been a nightmare too. Ive lost all confidence in the brand.

Just curious, what other expensive common issues have you come across? Seems to me like the E9x is one of the most reliable cars BMW has built other than the bearing issue, but I am only beginning to consider buying one so my only basis of comparison is reported user experience on the forums.

[Shredicus]

Originally Posted by HenryChinaski

Just curious, what other expensive common issues have you come across? Seems to me like the E9x is one of the most reliable cars BMW has built other than the bearing issue, but I am only beginning to consider buying one so my only basis of comparison is reported user experience on the forums.

Throttle actuators are a big nuisance and the Dct has a tendency to bleed from the upper gaskets requiring some labor to drop the tranny.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

Anyone who thinks the track is the only place you can drive "not like a pussy" obviously hasn't spent anytime on the tail of the dragon or highway 421 (the snake) or 151. I promise there are more twists and turns on those roads than any track you've been on. Maybe the speeds aren't as high but we are talking more than 300 hair pins, switch backs, and chicanes in 10 miles. Make a mistake there and you dont run into hay bails, you go off a mountain. Pussy driving.lol. The ego of some people.

I've been to the dragon 3 times. You can't push the car anywhere near as hard there as you can on track, even in the middle of the night when the road is empty.

It's just something that can't be conveyed until you've driven on track.

If you drove as hard on the street as you can on track, you'd crash within a day. No amount of skill could prevent it.