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07-26-2020, 08:00 AM | #45 |
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I would say Euro 3.2 E36 M3 (96-99) with 321hp S50B32 engine and 6 speed manual. It has the best steering feel bar the E30 M3, about 100kg lighter than E46 M3 and has a very neutral balance.
My late E36 3.2 was my far the best M3 I have driven in terms of balance of performance and feel. The design is also very timeless and thug. Nothing better than revving a double VANOS straight 6 to 7600 rpm...
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07-26-2020, 09:28 AM | #46 |
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As a (laguna blue) S2000 owner I can echo the praise for it. I have a supercharged AP2 and it is so much more direct compared to an E9X M3.
Stock they are slow, but a SoS or Vortech supercharger is a very easy bolt-on mod that doesn't mess with reliability of the car. Mine is kraftwerks supercharged making over 400whp and it's a blast. I don't get to drive it as often as I'd like but it has a real sense of occasion when I do. |
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I'm still having the internal debate on what I would want, and I keep telling myself "coupe or nothing." The more digging I do, the more I realize how irrational that is and just how much of a bargain a Z4MR truly is. The drive is that I'm just not really a convertible guy. Silly to think that the top can stay up Quote:
We moved from north Georgia with quick access to some of the best roads, and it was a dream when I had my E90M. Bored? Drive about 45 minutes to the mountains. If I'm not mistaken, you were on the first Dragon run we did a few years back. We currently live in north Florida, but this is a pit stop while we wait for the next move to, hopefully, east Tennessee (think Johnson City area) or western South Carolina (probably near Lake Hartwell). While having a sports car here has no real purpose with its lack of elevation change and minimal turns, we know that we'll want one in the near future. Perhaps an open air experience would be enjoyed in that environment. Quote:
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08-20-2020, 06:55 AM | #48 |
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There are a ton of great roads in the east TN area. I lived there for 15 years (Greeneville and Johnson City) and miss the roads dearly!
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Anyone here have any experience with an older air cooled 911(non turbo)? I know they are relatively slow. I've always liked 911s and the ability to hold their value is quite appealing.
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Since most modern tires are oversized, they will rub on the inner fenders when cornering hard. I love it for what it is, but I would not replace my Ms for it.
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Can you buy a 993 for $25k? Some of them are antiques now - over 25 years old and the model is popular as the last of the air cooled.
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09-16-2020, 03:38 PM | #53 |
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I keep test-driving stuff and keep coming up with the same answer to the original question: Nothing.
But then I don't find tire slap wind noise and rattles fun.
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It is in no way comparable to an M3. It is unrefined (raw isn't the word ~ it's a rattle box with no sound insulation and a cracker box sound system), it is slow in stock form (14 + 1/4 in stock form w/o a perfect 6,000 rpm clutch drop), it drinks as much fuel as the M3. The AWD is really good, but the EVO's yaw control was ahead of the STi's DccD. Fun fact, our stage 2 tune probably picks up just as much power as an EJ25 stage 2 catless tune too. I sold it after blowing the engine, clutch and shot the brakes by 30,000 miles. It's a winter car. |
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09-17-2020, 01:57 AM | #56 |
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Garbage. My bro had a 15', I had a 06', don't understand the hype on them...
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After spending time on this question, the only somewhat similar car that is likely to be as fun and perhaps better is the Giulia QF.
I used to think a 911 was the way to go, but there’s actually only a few select models I’d want to swap my M3 for. |
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I'd summarize this question with the following algo flows: You want more power, retain the NA, high revving feel, and don't mind the brand? Ford GT350 You can do with less power, retain the NA, sacrifice a few revs, but gain in handling and rawness? Porsche Cayman 987.2S or 981S - pitch in more for GT4. You want similar power, less revs, retain NA, and a higher perceived brand? Porsche 997.2 or 991.1 Anything else goes into Turbo world, and I feel like that's our solid no here. Honorary mentions to C63, RS4/5 and the other American muscle cars. |
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i've driven the giulia QF. it's fast, sounds good and has an awesome steering rack - and i LOVED the optional carbon buckets - but imo the 8AT ruins the experience. just not very engaging at all compared to a DCT (let alone 6MT).
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My view is in the sub $50k bracket there isn't a better all rounder then the e9x M3. It has the right combination of feeling and 'specialness' that no new car will give you. I know this from experience (I had an M2C, lasted 9 months with it). Shout out to the GT350 though that thing is brimful of character and a riot to drive. Something like an Exige would be awesome if your looking for 'raw' but there are obviously trade offs.
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I feel like the only person to form a less than stellar opinion of the GT350. Test drove two of them, first one around town and the highway, second one on back roads.
Shifter feels great, very notchy and mechanical. Brakes are strong, if overboosted. It's a pretty practical car, but the back seat is more cramped than the sedan based cars. The noise in loud mode is intoxicating the first few times, it wasn't as exciting the second time around. The burble tune is a little overdone. The negatives? Quiet mode it sounds pretty meh, you have to keep it in loud. The first car smoked heavily after a light pull. Like, there's a fire, kind of smoke. Second car definitely smelled like oil after getting on it. Gearing is purely track focused and neuters the street performance. Below ~80 mph, I think it would be even with a stock E92. A stock F8x feels faster. Also, the car would not accelerate in 6th gear at 65 mph. Straight up would take seconds to get to 70. Interior didn't offend me, but it reminded me of a rental Fusion. Also, why the hell is the fan speed control on the touch screen, and the temp control on dials? I mess with the fan speed often, I set the temp to 69 and don't touch it again. Steering feels decent on center, and completely numb off center. It's not the most playful car, it feels more than the weight difference suggests. It is also, MASSIVE. Driving town a tight back road, it feels like you're trying to keep an F150 between the lines. Would be a good choice if you spend a lot of time on the track, but I don't think it's as good a driver's car as everyone suggests. |
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Just mod the E9X M3 a bit to make it more "raw". Suspension, weight reduction (/insulation reduction), and fixed back seats with roll bar. Bam it's raw, cheaper than the options above, the engine is even more peachy, and it's a fast car on track with large tires.
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