Our Shop car's two new friends... E90/E92 M3 twin turbo kit

[dvpouldar26]

Gintani has and always will be a niche vendor. They have a small customer base who love their products (superchargers, built motor builds, etc) and I'm sure they're happy with that.

I don't have more details more than most, but if you frequent the other forums, more specifically one run by an old banned member here, and if you frequent both their own and their fabricators Instagram page (tungstenkiller), you'll be able to see more photos and get more details of the build.

As for members here not being interested, frankly, this kit is probably going to cost much more than a centrifugal blower kit (probably closer to 20k), and I'm not sure many members will be interested in paying that kind of cash for an aging platform (and to a vendor that isn't the most popular or highly endorsed one on this forum) Even if this thing does work and go to production, people will always have their doubts and I'm pretty sure gintani will still be a certain "niche" vendor.... They have been for years and this isn't the first time they've developed a bar-raising product...

And as of now no other company is working on a twin turbo kit. Savspeed tried years ago but their production kit never came to fruition.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

The ESS E9x M3 "Supercharger Teaser" thread went just over 4 months before the product went on public release. Now I'm not looking to diminish what ESS or any other supercharger vendor has accomplished (this is more to establish a comparative timeline), but a Centri Supercharger setup is the easiest N/A -> FI Conversion -- Just look at any other N/A car, like the C7 Corvette (some shops needed just over a month to release a product) . A Twin Turbo setup is significantly more difficult to physically setup (Intercooling, Manifold/Turbo Placement, WG Positioning, Equal Length Piping, etc.) but in addition they're trying to tune this off the Stock DME with an EBC (so you've got excessive amounts of road/track testing, partial throttle, on/off boost, etc fine tuning). It should also be no surprise that a TT kit will be more expensive then a supercharger kit (Two Turbos, Manifold, WG + BOVs, Piping, an EBC) simply because it has more pieces, but it would be foolish if you don't think that the TT setup won't have more area under the curve.



For Gintani to release a reliable, S65 TT kit that works off the stock DME within a year would be a huge accomplishment IMO. Another, more relevant/BMW-specific parallel is that MaxPSI released their stock DME, E46 M3 turbo kit about this time last year. So while it took the E46 M3 ~7 Years for a stock DME turbo kit to be released, Gintani might accomplish this before the next-gen M3/M4 even goes on sale to the public.


People need to stop talking down on Gintani, Harrop, or any vendor that's trying to reinvent and further advance this platform. As popular as ESS is (once again not to diminish what they've accomplished), but they really haven't done anything beyond their stock motor kits and a very select few VT3 builds that aren't available to the public.

My comments were'nt made to talk down Gintani or their turbo project, it's just that I think people should stop saying these little teaser videos are the proof that the doupters were wrong and also it's true that I think they made a bad move by saying they had a twin turbo kit almost ready to sell. That said, I can't wait to see a twin turbo S65 and I will love it no matter which company makes it!

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by dvpouldar26

Maybe it's just the crowd on here.... On f10post, IND and AMS performance have been working round the clock to "crack" the s63tu ecu but to no avail after months of attempts and several "bricked" ecu's, and yet I haven't seen any of these types of responses on there....

I don't have a dog in the fight, but did iND and AMS start a thread saying they cracked the ECU, only to go silent for months? If so, then you might have a point. If not, then it's apples and oranges.

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

You have to know the back story. There is a group that would like to see them fail. Including some current members, some that no longer post here, and some that have been banned.

What if the back story was a lie?

[THE-FN-MAN]

Such a shame that dumb people who add nothing to the BMW community continue to hate and try to degrade good people and their hard work. Calling people clowns and disrespectful? Seriously? Who are you? An Internet tough guy hiding behind a key board? Gintani is hard at work pushing the envelope and any person with half a brain would understand that unforeseen circumstances arise which delay things. I'm not only talking on the business world but more importantly in ones private life. A lot of things are much much more important than posting updates to this minimal amount of M3 owners who comprise this forum. Bottom line is the car is (and has been, sucks for those haters that haven't been in the loop) up and running and performing very well.

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by Hujan

I don't have a dog in the fight, but did iND and AMS start a thread saying they cracked the ECU, only to go silent for months? If so, then you might have a point. If not, then it's apples and oranges.

You're correct. Gintani said in their original post they have a car up and running and they have shown that it runs. Have they released dyno numbers, details, 60-130, etc? No. They never have and never will. Did they say that they're expecting for it to take 2 months until release? Yes, but with any new development there are delays... I can't even count how many times thisnhas happened on other forums and platforms.... Look at the 997.2's and their pdk and fueling upgrades; vendors have been working on those solutions for years without many results yet. As of now gintani is the only vendor offering this so seems like all everyone could do is be patient and wait... I'd rather have a kit take forever to be developed and be well thought out than be released prematurely and have subsequent hiccups and problems.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by THE-FN-MAN

Such a shame that dumb people who add nothing to the BMW community continue to hate and try to degrade good people and their hard work. Calling people clowns and disrespectful? Seriously? Who are you? An Internet tough guy hiding behind a key board? Gintani is hard at work pushing the envelope and any person with half a brain would understand that unforeseen circumstances arise which delay things. I'm not only talking on the business world but more importantly in ones private life. A lot of things are much much more important than posting updates to this minimal amount of M3 owners who comprise this forum. Bottom line is the car is (and has been, sucks for those haters that haven't been in the loop) up and running and performing very well.

I think you took my "a bit disrespectfull" comment too seriously! lol

[THE-FN-MAN]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I think you took my "a bit disrespectfull" comment too seriously! lol

Sorry if you felt I was singling you out but my comment was directed more towards the "clowns" who are blatantly trying to degrade not only Gintani as a company but also the actual individuals.

[Sandye90m3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'm not a trash talker, but I'll say this, as much as I'd like to see a turbo kit bringing our platform to a new level of performance, seing those videos of pretty much nothing else then a running car makes me think more and more that Gintani did'nt knew what they were getting into when they decided that they would build something that no other compagny wanted to offer for this platform! After months and months of delay, it just seems to me like they are buying time. Hopefully for them they are not doing that in vain and will finally arrive with a viable product but for now all I've seen in the past year is a company that wanted to get recognition on this forum for something they have'nt done yet, all that to the detriment of some M3 owners who would've probably pulled the trigger on a supercharger kit if they have'nt been told by Gitani that they had a turbo kit on the verge of being released!

Again, I'm not a hater but I am surely a doupter and these little videos that comes with absolutly zero new info on the product and no demonstration of performance just reinforces my position on that subject! Like I said earlier, there's nothing I'd like more then being proven wrong by Gintani but if they really have a working product why don't they just show it at work!!

Would you rather them push a product out faster that has not be fully tested? Or would you rather have a product that has gone through an immense amount of R&D and trash testing?

And lastly, how can any company know what they are getting into if it has not been done already? It's just common sense...

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'm happy that this car was running at a track event last week but who knows how it was running!? I mean, it could've been running 3psi and no one would know!

They know they made a mistake by starting this thread way too early in the process of development so if they really have a viable twin turbo solution for this engine, my personnal though is that it would be time that they show us something serious!

The car was running on 7psi at the track. Even with that low boost it is putting out more hp than a stage 2 SC kit. This is a stock internal M3. They have plans to get kit running with a built motor as well.

You seem to be hung up on the fact they said it would be done in 2 months. Well maybe they ran into a couple hurdles they didn't expect, sh*t happens. They are tuning on the oem ecu. I don't see anyone else building a turbo setup for the S65 using the oem ecu. It has taken a little longer than they had anticipated. Do you want an apology?

[tightie]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The car was running on 7psi at the track. Even with that low boost it is putting out more hp than a stage 2 SC kit. This is a stock internal M3. They have plans to get kit running with a built motor as well.

You seem to be hung up on the fact they said it would be done in 2 months. Well maybe they ran into a couple hurdles they didn't expect, sh*t happens. They are tuning on the oem ecu. I don't see anyone else building a turbo setup for the S65 using the oem ecu. It has taken a little longer than they had anticipated. Do you want an apology?

[SenorFunkyPants]

I don't get what the fuss is all about.
It just seems like an unfortunate case of premature publication!

[BobS]

I don't understand the fuss either. If someone has a kit on order, I get it. But the fuss is coming from people that dont' have anything on order from Gintani (to my knowledge).

People get mad because a vendor doesn't participate on the forum as much as other vendors.

What a way to encourage them!

Lets ignore the preliminary product/accomplishments and kill them when they don't make a estimated release date.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Well I do understand that Gintani don't usually come here and post about their projects but it's a fact that they started this thread 8 months ago saying they've been running a turbo kit for 6 months on their shops car! They also said the final product would be for sale in less then 2 months and still not a single detail about the kit after 8 months! Don't you find it odd and a bit disrespectfull that all they have to show us after 14 months of road testing and 8 months of making us wait is this cheap video that shows absolutly nothing informative!?

Also I don't think it's more the crowd here then it is the way Gintani handelled their business that is the problem! Let's just say that I'd be really surprise if IND and AMS had handelled theirs the same way!

Disrespectful? Who cares? Were you going to buy one.

Everyone needs to realize that theres' more to life than the internet and posting on forums.

Shit I know some of the baddest street cars around and they are not on the internet

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Sandye90m3

Would you rather them push a product out faster that has not be fully tested? Or would you rather have a product that has gone through an immense amount of R&D and trash testing?

And lastly, how can any company know what they are getting into if it has not been done already? It's just common sense...

No sure I prefer them to test the product more then not enough, I just think they should'nt have come here 8 months ago saying they were in the final phase of development while they clearly were'nt but now that they did, they should at least update us more regularly IMO! I did'nt meant they did'nt knew what they were getting into before they started the project, I meant that they did'nt knew what they were getting into when they opened that thread saying they were almost done finalizing the product!

They have a running car for 14 months now, a thread about their kit for 8 months, and still all they have to show us to keep us waiting is those lame video, I just find this weard that they don't take pride in showing us something that would shut up all the doupters! It could be anything from a 1/4 mile pass to a drive by where you'de hear the turbos, that'd be cool, but a car on the dyno where you don't even hear the turbo or see the numbers is useless in my opinion and just serves the oposite at making us think what they should want us to think, which is that they know what they are doing! That just my humble opinion!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The car was running on 7psi at the track. Even with that low boost it is putting out more hp than a stage 2 SC kit. This is a stock internal M3. They have plans to get kit running with a built motor as well.

You seem to be hung up on the fact they said it would be done in 2 months. Well maybe they ran into a couple hurdles they didn't expect, sh*t happens. They are tuning on the oem ecu. I don't see anyone else building a turbo setup for the S65 using the oem ecu. It has taken a little longer than they had anticipated. Do you want an apology?

Lol no I don't need apologies and I'm not angry at them at all, just a bit disapointed that they seem to not care about us(M3post) enough to show us some advancement, even though they know A LOT of people here are eiger to see and hear about the product! That video they posted could have been taken 14months ago, why even care to post it!?

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Disrespectful? Who cares? Were you going to buy one.

Everyone needs to realize that theres' more to life than the internet and posting on forums.

Shit I know some of the baddest street cars around and they are not on the internet

I said "a bit disrespectfull" in the sense that it would've show a bit more respect toward us folowers of this thread if they had gave us more info and updates after disapointing us! Excuse my english , I should've been more carefull with my choice of word! I don't feel disrespected, I just feel that they don't care much for the fact that we all are eiger to get some info, hear some updates and see the running car(outside of a dyno)!

And yes I know that there is more to life then internet and posting on forums but the fact is that they choose to tease us by posting on here, I just think it's a bit of a let down the way they fail to update us, that's all!

[1M_@teewhybs]

Originally Posted by s85e90

Disrespectful? Who cares? Were you going to buy one.

Everyone needs to realize that theres' more to life than the internet and posting on forums.

Shit I know some of the baddest street cars around and they are not on the internet

lol seems like you're an internet pro hating on every thread. Get laid bro

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by 1M_@teewhybs

lol seems like you're an internet pro hating on every thread. Get laid bro

you sound like your 20 years old; thanks I will "get laid"



Nearly every post was ragging on Gintani; I comment once and get your stupid reply. Get a life

[1M_@teewhybs]

Originally Posted by s85e90

you sound like your 20 years old; thanks I will "get laid"

Get laid dude

[1M_@teewhybs]

Originally Posted by s85e90

internet tough guys.. lol

Hey I was never banned from this forum.

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by 1M_@teewhybs

lol seems like you're an internet pro hating on every thread. Get laid bro

Originally Posted by s85e90

you sound like your 20 years old; thanks I will "get laid"



Nearly every post was ragging on Gintani; I comment once and get your stupid reply. Get a life

Originally Posted by 1M_@teewhybs

Get laid dude

Sounds like a bunch of Justin Biebers just made their way to this forum and thread.... Haha