Our Shop car's two new friends... E90/E92 M3 twin turbo kit

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by GabeS

Amazing! doesn't sound turbo though, maybe the lack of a blow off...or it's just the speakers at work!
cant wait for more updates!

The exhaust note def has a lot more bass then an N/A or S/C E9x M3 with that high, rev roar. Love the sound of the TT-V8, reminds me of the SavSpeed Turbo E9x M3 that never materialized

Originally Posted by tightie

I went in the other night for a dyno, to compare my car and the turbo car...

You guys will be happy, I'm still sad.

Sorry, but awesome... Def expecting a lot more area under the curve with the TT setup (specifically a much meatier TQ curve). Cannot wait to see dyno overlays of the Supercharger vs. TT-setup on 91/93 octanes.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

Sorry, but awesome... Def expecting a lot more area under the curve with the TT setup (specifically a much meatier TQ curve). Cannot wait to see dyno overlays of the Supercharger vs. TT-setup on 91/93 octanes.

Can't wait to see a rolling race between a stock block s/c M3 vs a stock block turbo M3!

[Hujan]

Is this really happening? Would love to hear some updates from Gintani.

[Mit_Boost]

Extended version of the video from the Instagram Page on the Gintani YouTube channel

[emac08]

Spittin Fire! love it!

[khanhdom]

amazing, can't wait to see this getting into production

[edwinm3]

I'm gonna say it again, Where are all the trash talkers at now?

[Xx__xs]

Originally Posted by edwinm3

I'm gonna say it again, Where are all the trash talkers at now?

In their caves where they belong

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by edwinm3

I'm gonna say it again, Where are all the trash talkers at now?

I'm not a trash talker, but I'll say this, as much as I'd like to see a turbo kit bringing our platform to a new level of performance, seing those videos of pretty much nothing else then a running car makes me think more and more that Gintani did'nt knew what they were getting into when they decided that they would build something that no other compagny wanted to offer for this platform! After months and months of delay, it just seems to me like they are buying time. Hopefully for them they are not doing that in vain and will finally arrive with a viable product but for now all I've seen in the past year is a company that wanted to get recognition on this forum for something they have'nt done yet, all that to the detriment of some M3 owners who would've probably pulled the trigger on a supercharger kit if they have'nt been told by Gitani that they had a turbo kit on the verge of being released!

Again, I'm not a hater but I am surely a doupter and these little videos that comes with absolutly zero new info on the product and no demonstration of performance just reinforces my position on that subject! Like I said earlier, there's nothing I'd like more then being proven wrong by Gintani but if they really have a working product why don't they just show it at work!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Realy love to see the progress !(in the video)
Next step should be the reliability

[BobS]

C'mon man.... give it up.. Gintani isn't one to be on the forums, they never have. The car is running, multiple people actually saw it run.

This is great for the platform and the s65 can finally get into some serious HP!!!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3;15507063Like I said earlier, there's nothing I'd like more then being proven wrong by Gintani [B

but if they really have a working product why don't they just show it at work!![/B]

Maybe you should have gone to Willow Springs last weekend.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Again, I'm not a hater but I am surely a doupter and these little videos that comes with absolutly zero new info on the product and no demonstration of performance just reinforces my position on that subject!

This exact car was at a track event this past weekend.... Even @Longboarder saw it running


ALLEGEDLY I've heard that turbo options will range from Alpha 28s to 35s, SO lots of potential between stock/built motor, E85 tuning, etc. Because the S65 has a ridic VE, even a small amount of boost is going to offer tremendous gains and it's gonna be really nice having a solid TQ curve over a very large RPM range. Still not a fan of Air/Water Intercooling, but that's a minor thing that users can change if they're that dead set on it (just like going from stock DME/EBC a standalone EMS).

[W Cole]

Originally Posted by edwinm3

I'm gonna say it again, Where are all the trash talkers at now?

These guys are still clowns but I never had a doubt they would eventually get a car running.

I didn't know anything about them before this thread but I learned a lot after they claimed they had a car running for the past 6 months and then go completely radio silent for the better part of a year before posting a short video of a car idling in-place.

Their post on instagram is pretty hillarious, "We have a lot of people who are against us, who want us to fail.." Please, no one wants you to fail. We just think you're retarded.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

[IMG]http://www.quickmeme.com/img/19/19be...547974d3f5.jpg[/IMG]

This exact car was at a track event this past weekend.... Even @Longboarder saw it running


ALLEGEDLY I've heard that turbo options will range from Alpha 28s to 35s, SO lots of potential between stock/built motor, E85 tuning, etc. Because the S65 has a ridic VE, even a small amount of boost is going to offer tremendous gains and it's gonna be really nice having a solid TQ curve over a very large RPM range. Still not a fan of Air/Water Intercooling, but that's a minor thing that users can change if they're that dead set on it (just like going from stock DME/EBC a standalone EMS).

The question is not if they are able to get an S65 with 2 turbos bolted on running, almost everyone with a minimum of knowledge and a good budget could do it, specially with how much time they took to do it! What I really want to know is if it will be enough faster then the hypotheticly much cheaper supercharger kits to justify buying it and more importantly, will the engine be able handle what this twin turbo kit will have to deliver to be a s/c S65 killer!! From what I've seen yet in this thread, I'm pretty sure even Gintani does'nt have the anwsers to those questions! So until they give us a minimum of detail that could show that they really are on to something serious, I will continu to doupt that this project will see an happy ending!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Maybe you should have gone to Willow Springs last weekend.

I'm happy that this car was running at a track event last week but who knows how it was running!? I mean, it could've been running 3psi and no one would know!

They know they made a mistake by starting this thread way too early in the process of development so if they really have a viable twin turbo solution for this engine, my personnal though is that it would be time that they show us something serious!

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

The question is not if they are able to get an S65 with 2 turbos bolted on running, almost everyone with a minimum of knowledge and a good budget could do it, specially with how much time they took to do it! What I really want to know is if it will be enough faster then the hypotheticly much cheaper supercharger kits to justify buying it and more importantly, will the engine be able handle what this twin turbo kit will have to deliver to be a s/c S65 killer!! From what I've seen yet in this thread, I'm pretty sure even Gintani does'nt have the anwsers to those questions! So until they give us a minimum of detail that could show that they really are on to something serious, I will continu to doupt that this project will see an happy ending!

Originally Posted by W Cole

These guys are still clowns but I never had a doubt they would eventually get a car running.

I didn't know anything about them before this thread but I learned a lot after they claimed they had a car running for the past 6 months and then go completely radio silent for the better part of a year before posting a short video of a car idling in-place.

Their post on instagram is pretty hillarious, "We have a lot of people who are against us, who want us to fail.." Please, no one wants you to fail. We just think you're retarded.

If you guys have been on these forums for a few years you'd know the relationship between gintani and this forum. They haven't bothered posting much on here much for years. Just like their built motor ysi cars.... They've been around for years and years now yet you won't find a single detail on this forum about them. It's not that they don't have anything to show for anything, they just simply don't care to advertise or inform on here (this is the most posted on e9x forum so it may not be the smartest of business practices but they have always catered to a certain "niche" market) If they get this thing running, great... It will be another great option for the s65, but if not, I hope everyone on here has more important things to do than to sit around, and keep saying "I told you so". If anything, they have the most to lose....

Maybe it's just the crowd on here.... On f10post, IND and AMS performance have been working round the clock to "crack" the s63tu ecu but to no avail after months of attempts and several "bricked" ecu's, and yet I haven't seen any of these types of responses on there....

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by W Cole

Their post on instagram is pretty hillarious, "We have a lot of people who are against us, who want us to fail.." Please, no one wants you to fail. We just think you're retarded.

You have to know the back story. There is a group that would like to see them fail. Including some current members, some that no longer post here, and some that have been banned.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dvpouldar26

If you guys have been on these forums for a few years you'd know the relationship between gintani and this forum. They haven't bothered posting much on here much for years. Just like their built motor ysi cars.... They've been around for years and years now yet you won't find a single detail on this forum about them. It's not that they don't have anything to show for anything, they just simply don't care to advertise or inform on here (this is the most posted on e9x forum so it may not be the smartest of business practices but they have always catered to a certain "niche" market) If they get this thing running, great... It will be another great option for the s65, but if not, I hope everyone on here has more important things to do than to sit around, and keep saying "I told you so". If anything, they have the most to lose....

Maybe it's just the crowd on here.... On f10post, IND and AMS performance have been working round the clock to "crack" the s63tu ecu but to no avail after months of attempts and several "bricked" ecu's, and yet I haven't seen any of these types of responses on there....

Well I do understand that Gintani don't usually come here and post about their projects but it's a fact that they started this thread 8 months ago saying they've been running a turbo kit for 6 months on their shops car! They also said the final product would be for sale in less then 2 months and still not a single detail about the kit after 8 months! Don't you find it odd and a bit disrespectfull that all they have to show us after 14 months of road testing and 8 months of making us wait is this cheap video that shows absolutly nothing informative!?

Also I don't think it's more the crowd here then it is the way Gintani handelled their business that is the problem! Let's just say that I'd be really surprise if IND and AMS had handelled theirs the same way!

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Well I do understand that Gintani don't usually come here and post about their projects but it's a fact that they started this thread 8 months ago saying they've been running a turbo kit for 6 months on their shops car! They also said the final product would be for sale in less then 2 months and still not a single detail about the kit after 8 months! Don't you find it odd and a bit disrespectfull that all they have to show us after 14 months of road testing and 8 months of making us wait is this cheap video that shows absolutly nothing interesting!?

Disrespectful? No, it's a forum, I wouldn't take things too seriously. Again, it's their business, they could run it how they want to. They never cared much to appeal to the members on this forum and they're fine with that. And no, it's not odd, the same lack of detail has been there for years with their built motor ysi projects. It's not that the information is not out there, it is if you dig enough; it's just not posted on this forum.... Fact is that a majority of people on this forum probably won't buy this specific kit (same with their superchargers for the most part), and those who were interested would have either already contacted them directly or dropped by their shop in person to check it out...

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Well I do understand that Gintani don't usually come here and post about their projects but it's a fact that they started this thread 8 months ago saying they've been running a turbo kit for 6 months on their shops car! They also said the final product would be for sale in less then 2 months and still not a single detail about the kit after 8 months! Don't you find it odd and a bit disrespectfull that all they have to show us after 14 months of road testing and 8 months of making us wait is this cheap video that shows absolutly nothing informative!?

Realistically, if you were actually in the market for an S65-TT kit, you could pick up the phone, call Gintani & get the information you'd be looking for as a potential buyer..... But I don't think you're remotely interested in taking off your ESS s/c so let's move on:

The ESS E9x M3 "Supercharger Teaser" thread went just over 4 months before the product went on public release. Now I'm not looking to diminish what ESS or any other supercharger vendor has accomplished (this is more to establish a comparative timeline), but a Centri Supercharger setup is the easiest N/A -> FI Conversion -- Just look at any other N/A car, like the C7 Corvette (some shops needed just over a month to release a product) . A Twin Turbo setup is significantly more difficult to physically setup (Intercooling, Manifold/Turbo Placement, WG Positioning, Equal Length Piping, etc.) but in addition they're trying to tune this off the Stock DME with an EBC (so you've got excessive amounts of road/track testing, partial throttle, on/off boost, etc fine tuning). It should also be no surprise that a TT kit will be more expensive then a supercharger kit (Two Turbos, Manifold, WG + BOVs, Piping, an EBC) simply because it has more pieces, but it would be foolish if you don't think that the TT setup won't have more area under the curve.



For Gintani to release a reliable, S65 TT kit that works off the stock DME within a year would be a huge accomplishment IMO. Another, more relevant/BMW-specific parallel is that MaxPSI released their stock DME, E46 M3 turbo kit about this time last year. So while it took the E46 M3 ~7 Years for a stock DME turbo kit to be released, Gintani might accomplish this before the next-gen M3/M4 even goes on sale to the public.


People need to stop talking down on Gintani, Harrop, or any vendor that's trying to reinvent and advance this platform. As popular as ESS is (once again not to diminish what they've accomplished), they really haven't done anything beyond their stock motor kits and a very select few VT3 builds that aren't available to the public.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dvpouldar26

Disrespectful? No, it's a forum, I wouldn't take things too seriously. Again, it's their business, they could run it how they want to. They never cared much to appeal to the members on this forum and they're fine with that. And no, it's not odd, the same lack of detail has been there for years with their built motor ysi projects. It's not that the information is not out there, it is if you dig enough; it's just not posted on this forum.... Fact is that a majority of people on this forum probably won't buy this specific kit (same with their superchargers for the most part), and those who were interested would have either already contacted them directly or dropped by their shop in person to check it out...

Don't worry, I really don't take this seriously, it was just a way of speaking! My first language is french and my lack of vocabulary in english sometimes put me in trouble!

More seriously though, how can you think that a company who makes a living by selling parts for M3s does'nt care much to appeal to the members of the biggest M3 forum!? Sorry but it just does'nt make sense to me! Also as opposed to the YSI project, they created a thread here to promote their turbo kit so IMO the lack of detail after all this time is bs! And if the details really were out there, you can be sure they would end up in here, unless you know something I don't, in that case i'd be happy that you share it!

As to you saying that the majority of the members in here wont buy this specific kit, are you implying that the members of M3post are less interested in having a twin turbo S65 then members of other forums or you mean that they are going to buy a twin turbo kit from an other company!? :