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      05-30-2018, 12:10 PM   #45
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The only problem with this new design is the loss of utility. People love the cargo bay of the corvette (its like a chevy tahoe behind the seats).
The frunk looks pretty large. You can fit a lot of stuff in a Cayman or 911 frunk. And the C8 looks like it could have a rear trunk too if you need to cook a turkey.
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Looks more like a Lambo to me more than anything – not a bad thing. I know it’s only a guesstimated rendering but I hope the Corvette design team does a better job on the rear vent design. It’s the only part that stuck out to me as a sore thumb on the C7.

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I wish instead of more power or making it mid engined they focused on building a good car that doesn't smell like epoxy, glue and plastic.

Going mid engine is fixing something that isn't broken. There is no need to go mid engine to 'fix' handling issues. The Corvette handles great and has tons of power.

The Corvette loses comparison tests because it's not a high quality car... the last thing it needs are more horses or going mid engine.
Why let bmw and others catch up with handling? What is high quality? Something that costs 3x as much?
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Great looking exhaust outlets, but I am turned off by everything between the spoiler and the diffuser in the rear; especially that area in the middle. Maybe it'll look better in person...
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Why let bmw and others catch up with handling? What is high quality? Something that costs 3x as much?
'Quality is hard to define but easy to distinguish'

But I'd settle for medium quality. That is, not entering into a car that smells like a plastic factory.
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'Quality is hard to define but easy to distinguish'

But I'd settle for medium quality. That is, not entering into a car that smells like a plastic factory.
So basically, you donít want it to be like a BMW.
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So basically, you donít want it to be like a BMW.
Well, somehow magazines are not continually complaining about BMWs smelling like plastic factories.

The last time I read about a Corvette smelling like plastic was today, reading Car and Driver's ZR1 review.

You can be as facetious as you want. If you need me to jog your memory and paste the last 20 times car magazines said the Vette smells like a plastic factory I can do it, but it's a waste of my time, much like proving the Earth is not flat
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Glad to see GM has the balls to bring back the Fiero.
Lol, I use to think the fiero was cool
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Well, somehow magazines are not continually complaining about BMWs smelling like plastic factories.

The last time I read about a Corvette smelling like plastic was today, reading Car and Driver's ZR1 review.

You can be as facetious as you want. If you need me to jog your memory and paste the last 20 times car magazines said the Vette smells like a plastic factory I can do it, but it's a waste of my time, much like proving the Earth is not flat
It is high praise, there is nothing else to complain about.

I never thought I would own a GM car, nor defend them.

And the glue smell goes away pretty fast
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Well, somehow magazines are not continually complaining about BMWs smelling like plastic factories.

The last time I read about a Corvette smelling like plastic was today, reading Car and Driver's ZR1 review.

You can be as facetious as you want. If you need me to jog your memory and paste the last 20 times car magazines said the Vette smells like a plastic factory I can do it, but it's a waste of my time, much like proving the Earth is not flat
I attribute this to bias. There are people that think their 3 and 4 series interior is somehow carved from a solid piece of aluminum and the inlaid with diamonds and rare goat leather. They ignore the plentiful plastic in their car and assume that other cars have more, even when itís not justified. Iíve found that these biases are much more common than the actual reality. I have some pics I took of corvette interiors I took a few weeks ago. When Iím home next week Iíll ask you to point out what is worse about the interior if you like.
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I attribute this to bias. There are people that think their 3 and 4 series interior is somehow carved from a solid piece of aluminum and the inlaid with diamonds and rare goat leather. They ignore the plentiful plastic in their car and assume that other cars have more, even when itís not justified. Iíve found that these biases are much more common than the actual reality. I have some pics I took of corvette interiors I took a few weeks ago. When Iím home next week Iíll ask you to point out what is worse about the interior if you like.
Ok... so, American car magazines actually hate American cars and continually complain about them smelling like resin/epoxy/glue/plastic even though in reality they do not and instead its BMWs that do?

Aaaaaalrighty then
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Ok... so, American car magazines actually hate American cars and continually complain about them smelling like resin/epoxy/glue/plastic even though in reality they do not and instead its BMWs that do?

Aaaaaalrighty then
Absolutely, bias is an extremely hard thing to shake. After decades of european cars being easily superior in handling, ride, quality, etc., non-german companies are finally able to replicate this. It's as much a result of the information-age as anything else IMO. It's more obvious when there are better cars now, which causes other companies to up their game, which in turn they are able to do because information is no longer "hidden" and everyone instantly/continuously knows what everyone else is doing. To put it simply, they can't get away with making crap anymore.

I've had two german cars recently and I think that when people have a 3 or 4 series, they like to imagine it's a 7-series or S-class, ignoring the miles of plastic and plasticized foam they have in those cars. They really aren't all that IMO. Where the difference might have been huge 20 years ago, it's dropped to almost nil IMO.
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Well, somehow magazines are not continually complaining about BMWs smelling like plastic factories.

The last time I read about a Corvette smelling like plastic was today, reading Car and Driver's ZR1 review.

You can be as facetious as you want. If you need me to jog your memory and paste the last 20 times car magazines said the Vette smells like a plastic factory I can do it, but it's a waste of my time, much like proving the Earth is not flat
Spend a week in a C7 and then report back... lots of magazines have bashed BMW lately on issues too. Magazines need something to complain about.

I've owned a bunch of M cars and a C7. The difference in quality is a rounding error. Not significant enough to really make a difference from my ownership experience in both. The interior of my M4 and 340i was better but not THAT much better. My C7 Corvette was also the same price as my loaded 340i but would outrun my M4 in all meaningful ways.

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Absolutely, bias is an extremely hard thing to shake. After decades of european cars being easily superior in handling, ride, quality, etc., non-german companies are finally able to replicate this. It's as much a result of the information-age as anything else IMO. It's more obvious when there are better cars now, which causes other companies to up their game, which in turn they are able to do because information is no longer "hidden" and everyone instantly/continuously knows what everyone else is doing. To put it simply, they can't get away with making crap anymore.

I've had two german cars recently and I think that when people have a 3 or 4 series, they like to imagine it's a 7-series or S-class, ignoring the miles of plastic and plasticized foam they have in those cars. They really aren't all that IMO. Where the difference might have been huge 20 years ago, it's dropped to almost nil IMO.
Agreed. People who don't actually own cars like to opine on them based on what they hear and read... or from sitting in a car for 10 minutes having all of their preconceived biases entrenched. The reality is that the new generation of Corvettes are miles ahead of previous generations and closer to the quality of the 3 series than some want to acknowledge. It's not as good but it's not far off by any stretch. I bet the C8 generation closes the gap even further.

I'm fussy about cars and I've owned pretty much most brands over the last number of years (2 M3's, M4, M2, C63AMG, Golf R, Lexus IS350) and not once did I feel my C7 didn't "fit in" from a quality perspective.

Also, whatever "new car" smell exists goes away on every new car within a few weeks. I never noticed any plastic or adhesive smell in my C7.
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I rented a 2018 C7 for 5 days last month. Never noticed a thing in regards to smell.

First time ever in a Corvette. Thought it was spectacular. The sound (and pull) of that engine was far more exciting than any of the BMWs Iíve owned.
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That's a Corvette?!??!?! :O

If it comes out looking anything like those renders bye bye BMW for me, wow!
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