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      02-14-2018, 09:21 PM   #45
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Before I bother flexing my thumbs, did you even bother to read those articles?
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Before I bother flexing my thumbs, did you even bother to read those articles?
Yes I did. Did you?
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      02-14-2018, 09:29 PM   #47
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Plus that unmistakable sound of racking the shotgun usually sends ppl running!
This is not the thread to get into this discussion but the sooner you remove that statement and belief from your lexicon, the better. It's a fallacy. I'll beg you not to stake the lives of those you love on such a thing.
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Difference is that the civilian version is not fully automatic.
So we're talking here about fewer bullets per second exiting the barrel, is that right?
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      02-14-2018, 09:38 PM   #49
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Why don't make schools more secure?

Our office buildings have security guards, IC Chip or magnetic entry gates, all visitors sign in, everyone has to wear badges, etc. This is proven to be effective, so why don't roll this out at schools across nation?
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You do realize an AR is no different than any other semiautomatic hunting rifle. Do you want to ban all hunting rifles?
Should we make it tougher for folks to own semi automatic guns, period? What are your thoughts on what Australia did?
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Let's just get something straight. Secure schools from guns? Are you hearing what you're saying?
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Let's just get something straight. Secure schools from guns? Are you hearing what you're saying?
If a gunman cannot make it into the school, then it'll be tougher for the gunman to shoot children. That's what he's trying to say.
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Let's just get something straight. Secure schools from guns? Are you hearing what you're saying?
Sad isn't. People want armed guards for schools now?? Why do we need them now and we didn't need them 20 or 30 years ago? Answer that question - solve the problem.
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You answer it. Look at gun sales over those years.

People have always fallen into depression, or lost their way due to chemicals, or been mentally ill from the get-go. The difference now is that there are more people (read: targets) and more, better, guns.
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If a gunman cannot make it into the school, then it'll be tougher for the gunman to shoot children. That's what he's trying to say.
Yes. I'll ask you the same question. Do you see what you're saying?

EDIT: What you're saying is that there are so many 'men' with so many guns that we have to turn our schools into prisons just to keep our children safe. What will be next, armored school busses?
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This is not the thread to get into this discussion but the sooner you remove that statement and belief from your lexicon, the better. It's a fallacy. I'll beg you not to stake the lives of those you love on such a thing.
Címon man, of course not. Itís just the bonus of the shotguns. Nothing else makes that sound. Like I said itís unmistakable. Do you own a shotgun or shot with one? Because I do and I have regularly.
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Sad isn't. People want armed guards for schools now?? Why do we need them now and we didn't need them 20 or 30 years ago? Answer that question - solve the problem.
School shooting is nothing new. Been happening since 1800s, but yeah, unfortunately the scale is growing and is parabolic in last 20 years. While random shootings are still extremely rare (you have higher chances being struck by lightning than a school shooter). gang violence or trespassing is a massive problem, which can be addressed by implementing same security system as we have elsewhere.

We have secured our office buildings, warehouses, government offices, and airports. To me it seems strange that absolutely nothing has been done to secure the only place where parents cannot do anything to protect their children.
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news is coming out about the shooter... a higly disturbed individual that a few people marked as potentially him being capable of something like this... the issue here isnt guns folks
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Yes. I'll ask you the same question. Do you see what you're saying?

EDIT: What you're saying is that there are so many 'men' with so many guns that we have to turn our schools into prisons just to keep our children safe. What will be next, armored school busses?
I'm not saying it; TokyoCarGuy said it. I was merely interpreting his post.

But since you asked me... do I want my kids safe? Absolutely. Does a school need to become a prison? No. Should a school be safe? Yes. Do we need armored school buses? No.

My kids school has access control. Simple code each parent types in before they can enter. Doesn't make it a prison. But what happens when a parent flips a switch? Back to square one.

My local supermarket has a uniformed cop 24/7. I live in the safest, most boring neighborhood. I asked the cop why they're always there. He said he isn't sure; the supermarket just has them under contract.
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Sad isn't. People want armed guards for schools now?? Why do we need them now and we didn't need them 20 or 30 years ago? Answer that question - solve the problem.
Here in Florida some counties have School Resource Deputies/Officers who are cops that are assigned to a school. Mainly as a buffer to handle problems that arise from students and staff. They also teach a class and act as an ambassador for LEOs with the kids. But most importantly to be the first line of defense in the event of a threat or attack. This would be a good idea to adopt nationwide. Iím sure there are other states with something similar. Can anyone else chime in on that?
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news is coming out about the shooter... a higly disturbed individual that a few people marked as potentially him being capable of something like this... the issue here isnt guns folks
A mentally unstable person with any weapon is an issue. Right? Guns, knives, airplanes, vans, baseball bats. Even fists.
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You do realize an AR is no different than any other semiautomatic hunting rifle. Do you want to ban all hunting rifles?
Should we make it tougher for folks to own semi automatic guns, period? What are your thoughts on what Australia did?
Well that is a whole different argument. My point is, you said nobody needs an AR. By that sentiment, nobody needs a hunting rifle either.
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If people didn't have access to guns in the first place, they wouldn't be able to kill other people, with these guns
Very ignorant thing to say.

The more you ban guns in a state, the more the black market smugglers get richer. You cannot ban guns in every state in the usa, people smuggle around guns and drugs everyday. You're making it easier for people to get robbed, because since you banned legal arms, the ones that get theirs black market can now walk in anywhere and rob people or cause a mass shooting and people who were carrying can't do shit.

If you ban guns in a state, the price skyrockets for the smugglers.

Stop banning things, if someone uses a car and runs over a dozen people at an event, are we gonna start banning mustangs too now?

The problem lies within the people who have mental issues, people kill people. If someone wanted to kill lots of people, they'll find a way to do so. Whether it's buying a gun illegally or making a homemade bomb.
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Well that is a whole different argument. My point is, you said nobody needs an AR. By that sentiment, nobody needs a hunting rifle either.
Well, I called a friend and he explained to me the same kind of carnage can be done with handguns, probably even worse. So my point was moot.

So do I want semi automatics in the hands of criminals? No. Do I want them for my own protection? Sure. But that's just not how things work.

Tough argument, no matter how it's sliced. The criminal and mental aspect dominates, in my opinion.
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A mentally unstable person with any weapon is an issue. Right? Guns, knives, airplanes, vans, baseball bats. Even fists.
"Seventeen dead from punches" now there is a headline.
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Why don't make schools more secure?

Our office buildings have security guards, IC Chip or magnetic entry gates, all visitors sign in, everyone has to wear badges, etc. This is proven to be effective, so why don't roll this out at schools across nation?
It hasn’t proven to be effective. If a gunmen is armed with the weapons and ammo readily available at every local gun store in town it is fairly easy to defeat everything you just listed. Most offices aren’t that secure either as it is very expensive for small businesses etc.

Schools have so many entry and exit points by law due to needing to be able to beevacuated quickly they are tactical nightmares.

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