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      01-07-2018, 06:29 PM   #45
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You must work for brighthouse. I've never heard anyone go back to cable after learning about streaming. Cable will be dead in a few years. Poor service, high prices, outdated technology
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You must work for brighthouse. I've never heard anyone go back to cable after learning about streaming. Cable will be dead in a few years. Poor service, high prices, outdated technology
They arenít just going to die. Companies typically adapt when markets are heading rather than just allowing streaming to take their business. I didnít say people will go back to cable but people will be upset at the pricing, offering, and service when streaming catches on too.

I tried streaming and I had to give up about half of the sports I watch and the service was spotty HD.

I have amazon streaming and Netflix still.
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Bottom line is people are leaving cable in droves. Where I live I have one option for cable and it sucks. If I stream I have a dozen options or more. Streaming services don't have to worry about boxes, cable lines, outages, etc that's why they can charge half the price. I'll gladly give up a few channels to save $6-700 a year
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You must work for brighthouse. I've never heard anyone go back to cable after learning about streaming. Cable will be dead in a few years. Poor service, high prices, outdated technology

I am someone who dropped cable about 4 years ago and ended up going back to it after 2 years. Believe me, cutting the cord and going all in on streaming is not ideal for every situation. Let me explain what I went through.

First off, I was already a Netflix and Amazon Prime subscriber before I cut out cable TV, so my viewing habits were a mix of cable and streaming. Once my "double-play" service from Comcast reached $175/month, decided something must be done. My service was only for internet and expanded cable TV with HD and DVR. This did not include any movie channels and I also owned my own cable modem, so I did not pay a fee to rent one from Comcast. I called Comcast to see if there were any discounts or to negotiate a new rate, but they weren't having it. At that point I canceled my TV service with them and kept internet only which dropped my bill to about $65/month. My only other option for internet around here was DSL, which was much slower at the time, so that really wasn't any option.

Now down to only streaming with Netflix and Amazon, I decided to get an HD antenna in order to view my local channels and see some of the shows I like. After being spoiled by a DVR, I wasn't going back to watching shows in real-time. After much research for over-the-air DVRs, I found the Tivo Roamio would be my best option. It could work with OTA signals or cable but was rather expensive for the box and lifetime subscription for it. However, that cost was negated fairly quickly with the amount I was saving each month from lack of cable TV.

I was happy with this streaming/OTA setup for quite a while, although there were still several shows and some live sports I couldn't watch which was frustrating. In order to see everything I wanted, I would have needed several streaming subscriptions that altogether would have cost the same or more than the then revised prices Comcast was offering. Ultimately, it made more sense to go back to a Comcast double-play with free HBO that ended up costing less than $100/month. It helped that I could continue using my Tivo with a cable card so I did not have to pay any equipment rental fees.

With the lack of competition for internet providers around here and cable being the service many of us use to access the internet, it will definitely not be dead within a few years for TV or internet. The technology is certainly not outdated. With some content creators wanting to create their own streaming services, you may end up needing more subscriptions for everything you want to watch (ex: Disney leaving Netflix to create their own service). Also, with the monthly data caps many ISPs are implementing, streaming everything may no longer be a viable option.
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You must work for brighthouse. I've never heard anyone go back to cable after learning about streaming. Cable will be dead in a few years. Poor service, high prices, outdated technology

I am someone who dropped cable about 4 years ago and ended up going back to it after 2 years. Believe me, cutting the cord and going all in on streaming is not ideal for every situation. Let me explain what I went through.

First off, I was already a Netflix and Amazon Prime subscriber before I cut out cable TV, so my viewing habits were a mix of cable and streaming. Once my "double-play" service from Comcast reached $175/month, decided something must be done. My service was only for internet and expanded cable TV with HD and DVR. This did not include any movie channels and I also owned my own cable modem, so I did not pay a fee to rent one from Comcast. I called Comcast to see if there were any discounts or to negotiate a new rate, but they weren't having it. At that point I canceled my TV service with them and kept internet only which dropped my bill to about $65/month. My only other option for internet around here was DSL, which was much slower at the time, so that really wasn't any option.

Now down to only streaming with Netflix and Amazon, I decided to get an HD antenna in order to view my local channels and see some of the shows I like. After being spoiled by a DVR, I wasn't going back to watching shows in real-time. After much research for over-the-air DVRs, I found the Tivo Roamio would be my best option. It could work with OTA signals or cable but was rather expensive for the box and lifetime subscription for it. However, that cost was negated fairly quickly with the amount I was saving each month from lack of cable TV.

I was happy with this streaming/OTA setup for quite a while, although there were still several shows and some live sports I couldn't watch which was frustrating. In order to see everything I wanted, I would have needed several streaming subscriptions that altogether would have cost the same or more than the then revised prices Comcast was offering. Ultimately, it made more sense to go back to a Comcast double-play with free HBO that ended up costing less than $100/month. It helped that I could continue using my Tivo with a cable card so I did not have to pay any equipment rental fees.

With the lack of competition for internet providers around here and cable being the service many of us use to access the internet, it will definitely not be dead within a few years for TV or internet. The technology is certainly not outdated. With some content creators wanting to create their own streaming services, you may end up needing more subscriptions for everything you want to watch (ex: Disney leaving Netflix to create their own service). Also, with the monthly data caps many ISPs are implementing, streaming everything may no longer be a viable option.
In all fairness sling, psvue and dtvnow just started in the last ~two years and sling/psvue have dvr service now
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Some good and some bad with hulu today.

Watched some CBS (Big Bang) with the wife and had some great quality and no interruptions

Watching some WWE RAw (dont judge me, its a guilty pleasure) on USA. Lots of buffering going on, rubber banding, and quality fluctuation.
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If I were paying what some of you say you’re paying, I probably wouldn’t have cut the cord, but per I am paying $125 per month by using PS Vue, Amazon Prime, Netflix 4k and Internet. I was paying $230 for cable and Internet plus Amazon and Netflix. I did have the start up cost of buying an Nvidia Shield but wasn’t necessary. And I see Sony has removed the console requirement. You only need one if you do not have one of the supported devices which most of us probably already have one:
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ne...ation-required
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If I were paying what some of you say youíre paying, I probably wouldnít have cut the cord, but per I am paying $125 per month by using PS Vue, Amazon Prime, Netflix 4k and Internet. I was paying $230 for cable and Internet plus Amazon and Netflix. I did have the start up cost of buying an Nvidia Shield but wasnít necessary. And I see Sony has removed the console requirement. You only need one if you do not have one of the supported devices which most of us probably already have one:
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ne...ation-required
How is the Vue? The only thing that im noticing right off the bat is that for the price of the "Core" package, i get Hulu live w/ access to the hulu 'limited commercial' library.
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I know there is a new Hulu package but can’t say how they compare. PS Vue is kind of interesting in that if you favorite a show or channel, it essentially allows you to access the media or shows on that channel much like you would a DVR. You can skip commercials etc as well. So all I would say is you get free trials for all of these so take advantage of them to see what you like best. Hulu never really impressed me.
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Oh very cool, good to know. Yep, luckily i am not on contract anymore with the cable, so I have time to go through each of the free trials
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What I think I like best about Vue is that it is or was the most cable TV like experience with its guide and how you navigated the menus. My wife doesn’t like things overly complicated and was very easy for her t get the hang of it. Compared to Sling, we experience very little buffering or stuttering. I have 250/10mbps internet connection that runs through an Asus RT-AC68 router in AP mode (5GHz portion), an untangle firewall appliance and Arris Surfboard 6190 cable modem.
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My wife doesnít like things overly complicated and was very easy for her t get the hang of it.
Yep, thats one of the things im shooting for as well haha. Thanks for the info on Vue. I think ive lined up Youtube TV next, but after that ill check out Vue.
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I have cable because its included with my HOA, however I rarely watch it. Mostly just BS while eating breakfast or something. Mostly watch Netflix, Youtube (tons of documentaries on there), Amazon and shit I download.
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In all fairness sling, psvue and dtvnow just started in the last ~two years and sling/psvue have dvr service now
True, those options didn't exist at the time. If my bill ever gets out of hand again I may end up checking those or other options.
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How is the Vue? The only thing that im noticing right off the bat is that for the price of the "Core" package, i get Hulu live w/ access to the hulu 'limited commercial' library.
So... I'm doing the "opposite" of you I guess. Trying Vue first as it seemed like a more comprehensive cable-replacement for us. When I first started evaluating, the DVR wasn't available on Hulu and I'm not even sure if Hulu Plus was available.

I'm liking Vue so far. The kids have no issue whatsoever. My wife has trouble finding what she wants to watch, whether using the voice, search or the guide, which is "opposite" of Xfinity X1. It's "time" down and "channels" across. It confuses her. Sigh.

As far as cost on Hulu vs. Vue, you're right, to a point. Hulu is now including 50 hours of DVR. Vue is... Mark it as a favorite and it's all available via "DVR", for a month. No space limitation but... It's gone after a month.

Conversely... Hulu will sell you the expanded DVR package for $15/month but then... you're right there at the same price as the "Elite" package with Vue.

Vue works with Alexa. I don't think Hulu does, at least yet. Probably a matter of time.

At the end of the day, the $30 or $40 a month savings is "nice" but not ultimately, and only what makes the decision. I also have a wireless HDMI repeater that I need to use to get the Xfinity signal to the TV over the fireplace, which is flanked by sliding glass doors on both sides. Tough to wire. I could but... haven't. I can eliminate that with the Fire, Roku, etc.

I just had to reset the stupid cable box again last night... I don't think reliability is any better or worse vs streaming.

Cost savings aside... A key feature to me is one input. Use one box for everything, Fire, Roku, Chrome, whatever. As I mentioned before... This Fire "box" streams Plex much, much better than the Plex "app" built into the smart tv.
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^^ Awesome points, thanks for taking the time.

I can say one saving grace with convincing the wife about the Hulu package is "well right now i have a whole season of real house wives that i haven't watched yet". Hulu has the whole season so that piqued her interest and made a great point for me to sell the "technically we dont need enhanced dvr because the 50 hours will be fine!"

And one of the main benefits i try to push, is also the fact that, its literally 'on the go'. I cant tell you how many times we go visit my parents or the in laws and she complains that she misses her shows lol.... well technically not anymore! just fire up the laptop or bring a chromecast along for the ride and boom - tv.
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I absolutely love my Nvidia Shield. They keep updating it and making it better. However it costs me money. It supported UHD so I had to upgrade my tv to 4K HDR. Then they started supporting atmos, so I had to upgrade my surround sound system lol. At least thats what I tell the wife.
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Haha my plan is to grab a shield because i hear they are great for Plex as well. So if i go streaming, ill use the shield for the family room, and the roku for the bedroom.

Also for those considering DTVNow...

https://www.directvnow.com/appletv
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I use a QNAP NAS as my plex server.
I have an old, old Iomega NAS. I've helped a number of friends install and set up Synology and QNAP (My two go-to brands) NAS boxes for home. I highly recommend them. (...and system architecture at a cloud level is my thing so...)

Problem is... Unless you get one of their higher end units, you may have trouble transcoding HD material. They simply don't have the processing power.

The way I've avoided upgrading my NAS is... I bought a decent but "broken" HP All-in-One off CL. Literally a $1200 machine but Best Buy told this guy it wasn't fixable. With the Beats Audio, all that.

I put an SSD in it, installed Windows. Works perfect. Who knows. Anyways... Instead of upgrading my NAS, I use that as a third PC in my office simply to watch TV, listen to music and be a Plex server. It's an older i7, 8GB, etc. But.... I've got a gb hardwired connection to the NAS. It transcodes better than a new Synology or QNAP NAS would.

Problem is that ONE TV. The Plex app is problematic. Playing Plex through that via the Fire box... no problem.

That's my one-source argument. I don't want me, the wife, the kids to have to switch between inputs or apps. To a point, you need to with Fire and PS Vue or Hulu but... it's one button to "home".
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Haha my plan is to grab a shield because i hear they are great for Plex as well. So if i go streaming, ill use the shield for the family room, and the roku for the bedroom.

Also for those considering DTVNow...

https://www.directvnow.com/appletv
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