VT650 + DCT as daily driver and tracking

phecht · 07-10-2013, 05:57 AM

Iv been looking around and found a few posts here that say the do's and don'ts with a supercharger and overall reliability at the drag strip. Except I haven't found a thread yet for my specific question. And I want to ask before I make the purchase. How does the DCT hold up under the new sc at the track? After repeatedly down shifting and up shifting and really abusing it. Also, when your not on the track how many miles can you put on it as a daily driver? I currently have 30,000 miles on it now and track maybe 5 times in the whole year. I want to keep it for at least 100,000 miles, and thinking that adding a sc might not be practical, although this is why im asking. Thanks in advance if someone could help me out.

Longboarder · 07-10-2013, 08:40 AM

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788999

this ^

With the ESS 650 kit, the M3 with the DCT is at it limits. Incredible but also fragile. You need to always run sufficient octane, inspect the car regularly, change the oil frequently (particularly after track days), etc and the car will treat you well. I haven't had any problems in 9,000 miles so I recently upgraded from the 625 kit to the 650 kit and I beat the living snot out of this car as its mostly used for tracking and roll-on accelerations events.

SYZ · 07-10-2013, 09:50 AM

I don't have any personal experience with that kit and I doubt you will find anyone that has put 100K supercharged miles on any M3, but I would be cautious about springing for the highest HP rated supercharger kit on a car that you want to last to 100K.

Personally, I would go for a kit that doesn't run the motor and drivetrain to the ragged edge. ESS' VT1-550, VT2-585, or VT2-620 kits would all be far better choices for your intended use.

phecht · 07-10-2013, 11:59 AM

Interesting. I was thinking that someone would recommend a lower hp. Has anyone had any experience with stroking the engine? Making it still naturally aspirated but more hp, preferably close to 550? How's the reliability on something like that?

momo3605 · 07-10-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phecht

Interesting. I was thinking that someone would recommend a lower hp. Has anyone had any experience with stroking the engine? Making it still naturally aspirated but more hp, preferably close to 550? How's the reliability on something like that?

Unless I'm mistaken, the Dinan stroker kit is as reliable as stock, except you get less power for a lot more money :/

Sirius Black · 07-10-2013, 05:17 PM

I have the AA 640hp kit, and have experienced no issues. However, using it as a daily driver I wonder if fuel mileage may be an issue for you. I'm getting about 180 miles from full before it's time to fill up. I do have another car to drive so it's not that great an issue to me. That being said, the added power and performance is incredible.

Chriskm3 · 07-10-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirius Black

I have the AA 640hp kit, and have experienced no issues. However, using it as a daily driver I wonder if fuel mileage may be an issue for you. I'm getting about 180 miles from full before it's time to fill up. I do have another car to drive so it's not that great an issue to me. That being said, the added power and performance is incredible.

I get about 248 Kms on a full tank. Which is about 180 mls. I thought I was the only one.

. Thanks for making me feel better

Jbook · 07-11-2013, 12:13 AM

I daily drive my car with the 625 kit and get ~180-220 miles per tank.

8k3 · 07-11-2013, 09:29 AM

Same here, 180-220 miles per tank unfortunately with a 620 kit. Gets much better if all hwy driving though.

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phecht New Member 6 Rep 5 Posts Drives: 2005 Audi S4 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Connecticut iTrader: (0)	VT650 + DCT as daily driver and tracking Iv been looking around and found a few posts here that say the do's and don'ts with a supercharger and overall reliability at the drag strip. Except I haven't found a thread yet for my specific question. And I want to ask before I make the purchase. How does the DCT hold up under the new sc at the track? After repeatedly down shifting and up shifting and really abusing it. Also, when your not on the track how many miles can you put on it as a daily driver? I currently have 30,000 miles on it now and track maybe 5 times in the whole year. I want to keep it for at least 100,000 miles, and thinking that adding a sc might not be practical, although this is why im asking. Thanks in advance if someone could help me out.
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SYZ Lieutenant 34 Rep 454 Posts Drives: :O Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Scottsdale iTrader: (0) Garage List 2002 Mercedes C32 AMG [0.00] 2009 BMW M3 [0.00]	I don't have any personal experience with that kit and I doubt you will find anyone that has put 100K supercharged miles on any M3, but I would be cautious about springing for the highest HP rated supercharger kit on a car that you want to last to 100K. Personally, I would go for a kit that doesn't run the motor and drivetrain to the ragged edge. ESS' VT1-550, VT2-585, or VT2-620 kits would all be far better choices for your intended use.
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phecht New Member 6 Rep 5 Posts Drives: 2005 Audi S4 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Connecticut iTrader: (0)	Interesting. I was thinking that someone would recommend a lower hp. Has anyone had any experience with stroking the engine? Making it still naturally aspirated but more hp, preferably close to 550? How's the reliability on something like that?
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Sirius Black Second Lieutenant 18 Rep 241 Posts Drives: 2011 E93 M3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Annapolis, MD iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW M5 [5.00]	I have the AA 640hp kit, and have experienced no issues. However, using it as a daily driver I wonder if fuel mileage may be an issue for you. I'm getting about 180 miles from full before it's time to fill up. I do have another car to drive so it's not that great an issue to me. That being said, the added power and performance is incredible. __________________ 2013 F10 M5/TTFS CUSTOM TUNE/PURE S1 TURBOS/METH/AMS CL DPS/RPI CATBACK/KW SLEEVE OVERS/RPK FRONT LIP/M PERF REAR SPOILER/20" LOMA SUPERTEC SUPERLIGHTS
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8k3 Banned 123 Rep 951 Posts Drives: Car Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Boise, ID iTrader: (1)	Same here, 180-220 miles per tank unfortunately with a 620 kit. Gets much better if all hwy driving though.
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