Why are all M3s rated at 414 Bhp ,when they actually produce 320 Whp at the Dyno...?

Stunnerable · 01-21-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arr0gant

What is wrong iwth you kooks? 340 to 350 RWHP are "great" numbers for a 415BHP car. Get a freakin clue!

Yeah.. thanks for saying what I was thinking.

AW_M3 · 01-21-2009, 04:41 PM

lolz

King Tut · 01-21-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Griz

Everyone that has responded to kbp335,

Congratulations on falling into the trap.

Trolls gotta eat too you know.

Adonislike · 01-21-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FStop7

Then leave, fagbag.

Damn LOL. All this hate. +1 though

Adonislike · 01-21-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

+1

+2

gthirtyfizle · 01-21-2009, 06:57 PM

Bottom line is if they were capable, I can almost guarantee that 90% of 3 series owners would want an M3. Thats just life, thats just how it goes and how its supposed to be. All that u 3 series guys have to know is that there is always gonna be that 1 car on top of urs. No matter what u do to it.

NewM3driver · 01-21-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kbp335

420hp and only 270 ft.torque is pretty pathetic if you ask me. You have to rev the heck out of the engine to even get to that 420hp for a brief second between 7500-8500 rpm.

Let me guess... you don't own an M... CORRECT?

bigjae1976 · 01-21-2009, 07:32 PM

Why bother validating the troll's post? Just ignore.

ScotyH · 01-21-2009, 07:46 PM

ALL manufacturers rate HP at the flywheel, before the drivetrain.

It's not like BMW is lying. They're playing by the same rules that everyone else abides by.

jojogoya88 · 01-21-2009, 07:49 PM

Hey i had an 07 Audi A4 with software, turbo back exhaust, blah blah blah....And it made 260 hp and 280 torque...Now with a 4wd drivetrain loss...

I dont even want to think about the wheel hp and torque to the wheels i was generating.....anyways...

E9x M3 FTW!

maaicher · 01-21-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NewM3driver

Let me guess... you don't own an M... CORRECT?

Thats what im sayin!!!!!

rcornelius · 01-21-2009, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by kbp335
420hp and only 270 ft.torque is pretty pathetic if you ask me. You have to rev the heck out of the engine to even get to that 420hp for a brief second between 7500-8500 rpm.

Originally Posted by kbp335
Don't compare a 3 series to a Ferrari.....it's not even close. The M3 power is at the bottom of all it's competitor. Yeah yeah sure it's meant to shine on the track not at a straight line. But your average joe don't take it to the track, his race track is the freeway and stop light to stop light. Which put the M3 at a big disadvantage. The M3 dominance over competition ended with the E46.

I normally don't chime in when there is an individual making comments that has no idea what they are talking about. Next if you are such a BMW hater, then whey do you even belong to the M3 Forum??? You made a comment about having to rev the engine on a M3 to get the horse power; No shit Sherlock, a real performance engine developes peak performance in the higher rpm ranges. Cars that generally have a high red line tend to have lower torque ratings, but with the higher rpm ratings tends to make up the difference from the lower torque especially in with the top end speeds. Yes the high torque, high hp Z06 Corvette is a bad ass in a straight line and for some on the curves or track. I've been BMW driver for well over 20 years, these cars have NEVER been built for the drag race or the red light to red light as you mentioned. I have a Vette and yea I can verify that its a bad ass in a straight line, but put it up in the mountains against the my new M3 and you can forget it, the M3 will out shine the vette all day. I've been in and out of Europe for over 30 years with the military and now as a civilian, and we don't give a rats ass about 1/4 mile times for our M3 or any other Bimmer that I drive. We live to drive the autobahn where most of the autobahn has no speed limits. Something that you probably don't know anything about!! No the M3 is not the bad ass of the world, but for what you pay for a M3 and the quality and performance its very hard to beat. Since I'm guessing that you probably don't even really own a BMW or you would not be talking so much shit. BMW does live up to its name; THE ULITIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!!!

Stunnerable · 01-21-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rcornelius

Originally Posted by kbp335
420hp and only 270 ft.torque is pretty pathetic if you ask me. You have to rev the heck out of the engine to even get to that 420hp for a brief second between 7500-8500 rpm.

Originally Posted by kbp335
Don't compare a 3 series to a Ferrari.....it's not even close. The M3 power is at the bottom of all it's competitor. Yeah yeah sure it's meant to shine on the track not at a straight line. But your average joe don't take it to the track, his race track is the freeway and stop light to stop light. Which put the M3 at a big disadvantage. The M3 dominance over competition ended with the E46.

I normally don't chime in when there is an individual making comments that has no idea what they are talking about. Next if you are such a BMW hater, then whey do you even belong to the M3 Forum??? You made a comment about having to rev the engine on a M3 to get the horse power; No shit Sherlock, a real performance engine developes peak performance in the higher rpm ranges. Cars that generally have a high red line tend to have lower torque ratings, but with the higher rpm ratings tends to make up the difference from the lower torque especially in with the top end speeds. Yes the high torque, high hp Z06 Corvette is a bad ass in a straight line and for some on the curves or track. I've been BMW driver for well over 20 years, these cars have NEVER been built for the drag race or the red light to red light as you mentioned. I have a Vette and yea I can verify that its a bad ass in a straight line, but put it up in the mountains against the my new M3 and you can forget it, the M3 will out shine the vette all day. I've been in and out of Europe for over 30 years with the military and now as a civilian, and we don't give a rats ass about 1/4 mile times for our M3 or any other Bimmer that I drive. We live to drive the autobahn where most of the autobahn has no speed limits. Something that you probably don't know anything about!! No the M3 is not the bad ass of the world, but for what you pay for a M3 and the quality and performance its very hard to beat. Since I'm guessing that you probably don't even really own a BMW or you would not be talking so much shit. BMW does live up to its name; THE ULITIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!!!

Well said.. but he will never understand.

maaicher · 01-21-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rcornelius

Originally Posted by kbp335
420hp and only 270 ft.torque is pretty pathetic if you ask me. You have to rev the heck out of the engine to even get to that 420hp for a brief second between 7500-8500 rpm.

Originally Posted by kbp335
Don't compare a 3 series to a Ferrari.....it's not even close. The M3 power is at the bottom of all it's competitor. Yeah yeah sure it's meant to shine on the track not at a straight line. But your average joe don't take it to the track, his race track is the freeway and stop light to stop light. Which put the M3 at a big disadvantage. The M3 dominance over competition ended with the E46.

I normally don't chime in when there is an individual making comments that has no idea what they are talking about. Next if you are such a BMW hater, then whey do you even belong to the M3 Forum??? You made a comment about having to rev the engine on a M3 to get the horse power; No shit Sherlock, a real performance engine developes peak performance in the higher rpm ranges. Cars that generally have a high red line tend to have lower torque ratings, but with the higher rpm ratings tends to make up the difference from the lower torque especially in with the top end speeds. Yes the high torque, high hp Z06 Corvette is a bad ass in a straight line and for some on the curves or track. I've been BMW driver for well over 20 years, these cars have NEVER been built for the drag race or the red light to red light as you mentioned. I have a Vette and yea I can verify that its a bad ass in a straight line, but put it up in the mountains against the my new M3 and you can forget it, the M3 will out shine the vette all day. I've been in and out of Europe for over 30 years with the military and now as a civilian, and we don't give a rats ass about 1/4 mile times for our M3 or any other Bimmer that I drive. We live to drive the autobahn where most of the autobahn has no speed limits. Something that you probably don't know anything about!! No the M3 is not the bad ass of the world, but for what you pay for a M3 and the quality and performance its very hard to beat. Since I'm guessing that you probably don't even really own a BMW or you would not be talking so much shit. BMW does live up to its name; THE ULITIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!!!

icemang17 · 01-21-2009, 09:18 PM

When I dyno'd my M3 the dyno and car got very moody...but it still made 300whp at 5800rpm......before something freaked out

JMD0977 · 01-21-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by icemang17

When I dyno'd my M3 the dyno and car got very moody...but it still made 300whp at 5800rpm......before something freaked out

What type of dyno did you use?

arr0gant · 01-21-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by icemang17

When I dyno'd my M3 the dyno and car got very moody...but it still made 300whp at 5800rpm......before something freaked out

I hate to alarm you, but there's no excuse for 300Bhp on an E9x M.

FStop7 · 01-21-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by arr0gant

I hate to alarm you, but there's no excuse for 300Bhp on an E9x M.

at 5800rpm

spyderco10 · 01-21-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kbp335

Don't compare a 3 series to a Ferrari.....it's not even close. The M3 power is at the bottom of all it's competitor. Yeah yeah sure it's meant to shine on the track not at a straight line. But your average joe don't take it to the track, his race track is the freeway and stop light to stop light. Which put the M3 at a big disadvantage. The M3 dominance over competition ended with the E46.

You may be right, but then that means that dozens of car magazines got it wrong.

spyderco10 · 01-21-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbo

Unfortunately most bmw customers have no understanding of cars or race cars. Since this is BMW's customer base BMW should do its best to explain the difference in power measured. But it is not therefore it's got some work to do.

I think you meant to say "Mercedes" customers

Robin_NL · 01-22-2009, 01:07 AM

I'm from Europe and I hate 1/4 mile dragracing (and Indy/Nascar sorry)so I'm the EU stereotype I guess.LOL

But I do love Brooke Burke and Christina Aguilera!

William Blake · 01-22-2009, 01:21 AM

Has the M3 ever been on a dyno that measures drivetrain losses?

Measuring at the hubs it probably the best, even better so if it also can measure the losses.

With this high-revving N/A engine, the airflow is absolutely critical! This thing sucks in air from 3 different places..

Pencilgeek, do you use 100 octane ROZ or RON? 91 ROZ = 98 ROZ?

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rcornelius Faster 5 Rep 132 Posts Drives: M3 Coupe Melbourne Red/Black Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gastonia, NC / Grafenwoehr, Germany iTrader: (0)	Originally Posted by kbp335 420hp and only 270 ft.torque is pretty pathetic if you ask me. You have to rev the heck out of the engine to even get to that 420hp for a brief second between 7500-8500 rpm. Originally Posted by kbp335 Don't compare a 3 series to a Ferrari.....it's not even close. The M3 power is at the bottom of all it's competitor. Yeah yeah sure it's meant to shine on the track not at a straight line. But your average joe don't take it to the track, his race track is the freeway and stop light to stop light. Which put the M3 at a big disadvantage. The M3 dominance over competition ended with the E46. I normally don't chime in when there is an individual making comments that has no idea what they are talking about. Next if you are such a BMW hater, then whey do you even belong to the M3 Forum??? You made a comment about having to rev the engine on a M3 to get the horse power; No shit Sherlock, a real performance engine developes peak performance in the higher rpm ranges. Cars that generally have a high red line tend to have lower torque ratings, but with the higher rpm ratings tends to make up the difference from the lower torque especially in with the top end speeds. Yes the high torque, high hp Z06 Corvette is a bad ass in a straight line and for some on the curves or track. I've been BMW driver for well over 20 years, these cars have NEVER been built for the drag race or the red light to red light as you mentioned. I have a Vette and yea I can verify that its a bad ass in a straight line, but put it up in the mountains against the my new M3 and you can forget it, the M3 will out shine the vette all day. I've been in and out of Europe for over 30 years with the military and now as a civilian, and we don't give a rats ass about 1/4 mile times for our M3 or any other Bimmer that I drive. We live to drive the autobahn where most of the autobahn has no speed limits. Something that you probably don't know anything about!! No the M3 is not the bad ass of the world, but for what you pay for a M3 and the quality and performance its very hard to beat. Since I'm guessing that you probably don't even really own a BMW or you would not be talking so much shit. BMW does live up to its name; THE ULITIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!!!
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