Is the Eventuri Intake worth it?

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by akkando

The plenum yes is significant. Installed the elbow and lid later and that doesn't add as much noise, not even close.

My car with ONLY the plenum.

Maybe the lady works in Sale and just want to make more sales?
I experienced "AKKANDO" plenum only setup prior to purchase mine! I already have the DINAN Intake Elbow/filter and honestly i couldn't tell if mine is any louder than his. "AKKANDO" then installed the full Eventuri setup and he also thought it was worth the upgrades!
As far as shipping goes, is the $800 charges to ship from IND? Maybe i could help you and check with my friend's FedEx account and see if it will be cheaper?

[RE36TRO]

Originally Posted by Super Spartan

I work for a company in California remotely, the problem is the weight I think. USPS charges are cheaper but I've never had an item successfully delivered by them in the past, they suck, they're only good within the US. The next option which is the cheapest is UPS World Saver which is a whooping 800 USD!!


The lady I spoke to from IND told me that I needed the whole setup for the best sound as those carbon components which replace the plastic also enhance the sound. As much as I like it from the videos I've seen, I don't think it's worth it for a little bit more sound which I know I will lose this money if I ever sell the car in the future unlike the Akrapovic exhaust which I bought which is really worth every penny.

Sales at its finest

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Matthew III

curious about this myself. debating between eventuri intake or carboproject plenum since they're about the same cost. does the intake feel like it makes a difference in performance?

I don't notice a performance gain but some people say they do. I guess it all adds up if you do pully, exhaust, cat delete, remap, weight reduction, etc. The claimed power increase is small though by itself.

I can't compare plenum only vs elbow only in terms of sound. I can tell you the noise changed dramatically when I got the plenum, and very little when I added the elbow after the plenum.

[850tgul]

Sign up for the M Gruppe newsletter and you will get a discount with IND. I did that, got a few hundred off the plenum.

If you don’t care about the carbon matching, buy the afe carbon elbow for $500 instead of Eventuri’s elbow.

Also, I was able to sell my plenum for what I paid for it. Just keep your stock plenum and put it back on when you sell your car. The plenums hardly ever come up for sale and are in high demand when they do. I doubt you will lose much money on it.

[Super Spartan]

Originally Posted by 850tgul

Sign up for the M Gruppe newsletter and you will get a discount with IND. I did that, got a few hundred off the plenum.
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Where to signup?

[Super Spartan]

Just called IND to order one but they said they don't have stock and they're expecting them in 3 weeks.

[DukeofAlexandria]

Originally Posted by Super Spartan

Just called IND to order one but they said they don't have stock and they're expecting them in 3 weeks.

Don't do it Spartan, just don't!!!! I've talked about this and debated members multiple times on this topic. I appreciate the noise it makes, but for that amount of money, you are half way to a a ESS VT2-625 kit.

If you want to 'sound fast', than go for it. If you want to BE FAST, save up and buy an SC kit. Hell, just buy a tune and test pipes kit from any source - only $800-1200 that way ha! (I'm biased because I'm function over form, full disclosure)

I've been in two cars with karbonius on them; one with macht schnell exhaust+karbonius vs. akropavic+challenge X-pipe+karbonius - without an x-pipe the induction noise is more pronounced, with an x-pipe and decent exhaust you cant' hear shit while you're dumping 100+ dB out the backend.

Just food for thought before you pull the trigger, thanks!

-Duke

[Super Spartan]

Originally Posted by DukeofAlexandria

Don't do it Spartan, just don't!!!! I've talked about this and debated members multiple times on this topic. I appreciate the noise it makes, but for that amount of money, you are half way to a a ESS VT2-625 kit.

If you want to 'sound fast', than go for it. If you want to BE FAST, save up and buy an SC kit. Hell, just buy a tune and test pipes kit from any source - only $800-1200 that way ha! (I'm biased because I'm function over form, full disclosure)

I've been in two cars with karbonius on them; one with macht schnell exhaust+karbonius vs. akropavic+challenge X-pipe+karbonius - without an x-pipe the induction noise is more pronounced, with an x-pipe and decent exhaust you cant' hear shit while you're dumping 100+ dB out the backend.

Just food for thought before you pull the trigger, thanks!

-Duke

Thanks for chiming in, I think this was a sign from the sky to NOT do it and spend almost the same amount I just shelled out for my Akrapovic Exhaust which I am loving a LOT by the way. Now you say this just to enforce it! Cheers

[RE36TRO]

I'm 100% in agreement w/ the super charger comment as this stuff adds up for only the most part, sound and aesthetics. The flip side to that is if you want to SC in the first place. Having owned multiple FI cars in the past I've decided to give it a rest and stay NA as it's a bit more stress free. In addition, the reversal aspect if you ever decide to sell or simply go back to stock. The plenum is literally an hour or less reversal job where the SC will take some work and/or take a hit on resale. If you don't mind about these things then the bang for your buck is definitely the SC.

[Adriano917]

Nope.

[E92M3GT]

I have ARMA intake and sound is nice!

[MouseMike]

If anyone tells you a carbon plenum isn't worth it there wrong. It's an epic upgrade, I have the Carboproject export version mated with the stock filter and it has made the induction noise so much rawer. My exhaust setup is the 2 pipe mod and while it is a deep and huge upgrade from a stock exhaust note, the plenum drowns it out with windows up and with the windows cracked. If your in love with the car I would totally go for it.

[astris]

This thread fascinates me. I've had my E92 M3 for probably almost 7 years? The car was stock for nearly all 7 of those years. On around a handful of occasions, for a combined total of maybe 1 minute, I paid attention to the plenum noises and thought... neat.

So yeah, to answer the OP, no.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by astris

This thread fascinates me. I've had my E92 M3 for probably almost 7 years? The car was stock for nearly all 7 of those years. On around a handful of occasions, for a combined total of maybe 1 minute, I paid attention to the plenum noises and thought... neat.

So yeah, to answer the OP, no.

You don't know, what you don't know.

[Epoustouflant]

Originally Posted by akkando

You don't know, what you don't know.

Prime example of disconfirmation bias of the plenums.

I find Walter's video best encompasses the madness of Carbo's export carbon plenum.

[850tgul]

Originally Posted by astris

This thread fascinates me. I've had my E92 M3 for probably almost 7 years? The car was stock for nearly all 7 of those years. On around a handful of occasions, for a combined total of maybe 1 minute, I paid attention to the plenum noises and thought... neat.

So yeah, to answer the OP, no.

Wow, really?? I’d say you’ve been missing out the last 7 years.

A cornerstone highlight of the great, high revving NA M engines was their induction noise, even in stock form. From the S70 in the McLaren F1, the S54 in the E46, to the S65/S85, one of the major features provided by the individual throttle bodies was the distinct roar when the throttle is opened. On some cars, like the E46, the only redeeming noise you could get from the car was from the intake, imo. I never heard an exhaust that sounded great on that car. The induction noise, however, was to die for, especially with a carbon plenum. See Top Gear’s iconic CSL review, circa 2003/4 on the Isle of Man. Ditto for even the god like McLaren F1. The amazing sound from that car was the induction note, not the exhaust. Don’t take my word for it, ask Gordan Murray.

Unlike the E46, the E9x has the rare ability to produce an amazing intake AND exhaust sound. To completely ignore one or the other is your loss and, honestly, a shame given very very few cars can make such an intoxicating induction roar like the S65 can.

To me, the up front cost of the Eventuri plenum I had was well worth it. The fact that I sold it a year after I bought it for damn near 100% of what I paid meant I got one year of unbelievable enjoyment and glorious intake noise for free.

[DukeofAlexandria]

It's not fast, but it sure sounds fast! - Carbon plenum guys motto.



Yet again, I'll reiterate, I've been in two cars with Karbonius, it was hardly anything special. Both of the guys spent over 3K for all the parts and had little to show for it aside from some induction noise (which one was cancelled out by the full race exhaust system) and some nice bits to look at with the hood popped.

Buy an S/C kit, it's half the cost already.

*Disclaimer, I'm a function over form guy*

-Duke

[Epoustouflant]

Buying an S65 for straight line speed is arguably the ironic & funny part of your statement.

If you're going to make the $ / hp argument, you can't limit it within the S65 realm as you're starting to lose the S65 magic. Plenty of platforms making easily more power for much cheaper than SC'ed S65.

What's the point of an S65 SC when you can find a cheap F8X and make 700whp on pump with hybrid turbos?

I reiterate, some of us have different priorities and framework for decision making on mods. If we pick a carbon plenum over a SC'ed - is it, maybe, because we value things differently?

Food for thought.

Originally Posted by DukeofAlexandria

It's not fast, but it sure sounds fast! - Carbon plenum guys motto.



Yet again, I'll reiterate, I've been in two cars with Karbonius, it was hardly anything special. Both of the guys spent over 3K for all the parts and had little to show for it aside from some induction noise (which one was cancelled out by the full race exhaust system) and some nice bits to look at with the hood popped.

Buy an S/C kit, it's half the cost already.

*Disclaimer, I'm a function over form guy*

-Duke

[850tgul]

Is it really that much better value, though?

I know if I were in the market for another E9x M3, I surely would never think about buying a supercharged or formally supercharged car. So it’s a knock against future resale, unlike a carbon plenum.

As I said, I sold my Eventuri for 100% what I paid for it after using it for a good while. The install can be done in about an hour. Can you install a supercharger in an hour? So there are additional install costs to factor in.

Also, further stressing an engine that already has some issues is not something I would do but to each their own.

Lastly, supercharging an S65 takes away from the character of the engine, IMO. It is one of the finest NA engines ever put in a car, why alter the character by putting a blower on it?

[SAMM3Y]

SC v8 makes plenty of wonderful noises too. BOV at 8k in a s65 is pretty dramatic. it's to each his own.. for me the novelty of any car noises wears off and I'll put music/Rogan/Stern/audible on. If you frequent cars and coffee and want to pop the hood for the crowd, a carbon plenum will have more value to you. If you never turn a wrench and don't care to geek out over the car I'm sure the novelty will wear thin quick. There's no right or wrong answer to this question.. a different flavor is all. I do agree that a previously SC'd car could be a tough sell and why people who value their car resale value would be hesitant to install. Consider a carbon plenum to be like a nice custom exhaust. Dropping $2-3k on an axle back seems reasonable enough to most and it's under the car exposed to the elements. Does little for power but adds sound. At least with a carbon plenum it's easier to see and keep clean.

[DukeofAlexandria]

Originally Posted by Epoustouflant

Buying an S65 for straight line speed is arguably the ironic & funny part of your statement.

I track mine, and a Harrop would 100% make it a better experience. I was waiting until the spring to purchase one, but have driven in a Harrop already and they are perfect for tracking in my opinion. Thinking I'm only speaking about 'straight line speed' when the platform is meant for corner carving/tracking is a little limiting. I'll concede I used a VTS kit for my point, but even a 525/625 kit would help in a track setting to some extent. And sorry, but from the guy who put the group buy together, you're ridiculously bias. Which is the funny part about your 'bias disconfirmation' comment. Yes, because you don't have ANY bias for this conversation...I mean come on man ha!

Originally Posted by 850tgul

As I said, I sold my Eventuri for 100% what I paid for it after using it for a good while. The install can be done in about an hour. Can you install a supercharger in an hour? So there are additional install costs to factor in.

So your argument is because a supercharger takes an additional 6-9 hours, it's not worth it? It's a supercharger.....if you can't install a super charger than maybe you shouldn't be installing much overtop of a filter. I've installed 4 prochargers for mustangs, and replaced a kenny bell roots blower on an old 03' terminator I had for a few months before I sold it. It's not rocket science and the only thing that is difficult is getting the software to sync up and get that running without hiccups. Most tuners/installers have this worked out for all self installers at this point.

Originally Posted by 850tgul

To me, the up front cost of the Eventuri plenum I had was well worth it. The fact that I sold it a year after I bought it for damn near 100% of what I paid meant I got one year of unbelievable enjoyment and glorious intake noise for free.

And which is it, you sold it for "100% what I paid for it", or CLOSE to the original cost? Let's get our facts straight here...

-Duke

[850tgul]

Duke, my only point was that the plenum is an easily reversible mod that, for me, cost me nothing in the long run and provided a TON of extra enjoyment. It also doesn't hurt resale value or put extra stress on an already highly strung motor like a supercharger does.

The main complaint about the plenum is the high up front price vs. the horsepower gain returned. I believe all of the plenum manufacturers out there are pretty transparent that there are zero gains with the mod. The mod is purely for noise and aesthetics. To counter the "high price" complaint about the plenum, I chimed in with my experience of selling for what I paid and, since you asked, I went back and looked at my receipts.

• Plenum with the M Emblem $2,007
• Discount for being an MGruppe member ($240.84)
• Shipping was $42.00
• Total I paid was $1,808.16 all in

I then sold it for $1,850 to a member here which included shipping so, I stand by my statement that I sold it for 100%, or close to, what I paid.