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      05-09-2017, 11:56 PM   #23
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I have a very similar situation. Oil will drop a lot very quickly during freeway driving. But if I stop the car on level ground and reset the oil reading it will display "correctly" again.

I have logged my actual oil consumption over many miles and burn around 1qt every 1800 miles or so.

If I calculate that I do need to add oil I just add half qt at a time
It's not normal. There is a public awakening to the issue in recent years and legal actions are being taken. Top offenders are Audi, BMW, subaru and Honda. A manufacturer cannot defend selling the same model with huge disparities in quality control between units and then refuse to address affected customers. Several automotive consumer advocates are exposing the bad apples like BMW.
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      05-10-2017, 07:16 PM   #24
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It's not normal. There is a public awakening to the issue in recent years and legal actions are being taken. Top offenders are Audi, BMW, subaru and Honda. A manufacturer cannot defend selling the same model with huge disparities in quality control between units and then refuse to address affected customers. Several automotive consumer advocates are exposing the bad apples like BMW.
You may want to include Porsche as well. There are several people complaining in the forums regarding unreliable consumption readings. The only think they have done different is the published info in the manual regarding oil consumption. I wish BMW had something similar, see below highlighted area:
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You may want to include Porsche as well. There are several people complaining in the forums regarding unreliable consumption readings. The only think they have done different is the published info in the manual regarding oil consumption. I wish BMW had something similar, see below highlighted area:
Holy Crap. I work in the auto industry as a factory rep we buy cars back for oil consumption less than what's Porsche states. I'm amazed that they are able to get away with that. 1.6 quarts at 622 miles. Whoa!!!
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      05-11-2017, 09:41 AM   #26
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This is exactly why we need a dipstick for the s65! It's so finicky with its oil requirements AND we cannot manually check the oil level. Dammit, just makes no sense. I am not an engineer, but I wonder if having a dipstick would drop the engine compression?

I do experience oil levels dropping faster if I drive long distances, especially with continuous driving. I'll periodically drive 3.5 hrs north to San Francisco or 3.5 hrs south to LA and I want to say that the oil level will drop once a trip. I have not experienced the crazy fluctuations that you had Joe, but the oil level in my car does drop a bit on trips.
There is no compression in the oil pan.
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Holy Crap. I work in the auto industry as a factory rep we buy cars back for oil consumption less than what's Porsche states. I'm amazed that they are able to get away with that. 1.6 quarts at 622 miles. Whoa!!!
Dr. Dre, BMW is worse than Porsche. After I complained about oil consumption to the BMW dealer I was given a printout that says bmw oil consumption spec for motorsport 'S' engines is 2.5 liters per 1,000 miles which is 1.64 quarts at 622 miles. Or if you prefer 380 miles / 1 quart. That's almost like having to buy a quart of oil everytime you fill up the tank. I also have the 2008 TIS BMW manual for this engine and they have bumped up the number (more oil consumption) to evade responsibility. The printout i received says 'update'.

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2.5l/1000 miles? Are they confusing the M3 with the two-stroke Isetta?
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2.5l/1000 miles? Are they confusing the M3 with the two-stroke Isetta?
The class action lawsuit against Audi is your answer for BMW.
They are trying to get away with not replacing or repairing engines. These 'cover my ass' specs are simply an attempt to thwart warranty claims.
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The class action lawsuit against Audi is your answer for BMW.
They are trying to get away with not replacing or repairing engines. These 'cover my ass' specs are simply an attempt to thwart warranty claims.
that CAL doesn't provide any real insurance for audi owners. audi is denying claims if people can't prove that only audi spec oil was used and maintenance intervals strictly adhered to. in some cases maintenance records were not "good enough" if not performed at an audi dealer too. i feel sorry for audi owners that now have to spend $8k+ for new pistons and seals on a $15k car

joe, i hope you get to the bottom of this and hoping bmw can help ya in some way
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that CAL doesn't provide any real insurance for audi owners. audi is denying claims if people can't prove that only audi spec oil was used and maintenance intervals strictly adhered to. in some cases maintenance records were not "good enough" if not performed at an audi dealer too. i feel sorry for audi owners that now have to spend $8k+ for new pistons and seals on a $15k car

joe, i hope you get to the bottom of this and hoping bmw can help ya in some way
My car was stricly maintained at the dealer there is no easy escaping responsibility for bmw in this case.
A different brand CAL has lead to a court ordering the manufacturer to extend engine warranty to 150k mile, 10 years and repair costs for those already affected which was accepted by the manufacturer. It's only a matter of time before there is a CAL against bmw.
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update :
After dealer added 1 quart oil level level was back a max one month ago.
Then over a period of a month I did 400 miles of ALL only highway drives.
after 150 miles level dropped from max to max-1/4 ,
after 250 miles level dropped to 1/2.
after 450 miles level was still at 1/2.
I then decided to drive it locally, so i drove the car on 4 local errands and at the end of the day, oil level reads : full !! wtf. Notice that the oil sensor was replaced and is new. Based on the last oil purge at the dealer i do know that ~1 quart oil was missing so it is not a sensor problem.
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where is my fucking dip stick???
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update :
After dealer added 1 quart oil level level was back a max one month ago.
Then over a period of a month I did 400 miles of ALL only highway drives.
after 150 miles level dropped from max to max-1/4 ,
after 250 miles level dropped to 1/2.
after 450 miles level was still at 1/2.
I then decided to drive it locally, so i drove the car on 4 local errands and at the end of the day, oil level reads : full !! wtf. Notice that the oil sensor was replaced and is new. Based on the last oil purge at the dealer i do know that ~1 quart oil was missing so it is not a sensor problem.
Did you ever get to the bottom of this? I'm having the same problem. Oil sensor showed "Add 1 qt" after about 40 miles of sustained highway speeds. After stopping for 5 minutes, oil level was back at "max". Then after 10 more miles of highway driving, I was back at "Add 1 qt". I just bought the car and had an oil change done about 200 miles ago... if I were already a quart low, I feel like I would be able to see a pretty major oil leak.
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      12-10-2018, 10:50 AM   #35
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I would see similar, but not quite as dramatic differences on extended highway drives, going from full to one bar above min on 2 hour or greater drives. Recently I had to replace my crank case ventilator valves (connect valve covers to the intake plenum). The variation after extended highway drives seemed to have diminished some. Not sure how they would influence the issue though.
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      12-10-2018, 01:29 PM   #36
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update :
After dealer added 1 quart oil level level was back a max one month ago.
Then over a period of a month I did 400 miles of ALL only highway drives.
after 150 miles level dropped from max to max-1/4 ,
after 250 miles level dropped to 1/2.
after 450 miles level was still at 1/2.
I then decided to drive it locally, so i drove the car on 4 local errands and at the end of the day, oil level reads : full !! wtf. Notice that the oil sensor was replaced and is new. Based on the last oil purge at the dealer i do know that ~1 quart oil was missing so it is not a sensor problem.
How many miles on your car? This sounds like blowby on the rings at sustained higher rpms on the freeway.
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my car was doing the same thing. I just completed an oil change myself, and put exactly 8.8 quarts in. It is not leaking underneath

The oil level read full (top dash) for a few minutes, but for the next few days it was reading OK (bottom dash on the oil level meter). I knew the right amount of oil was in there so I didn't do anything. Few days later and voila, measure on nice flat ground and it's staying at top mark full.
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Somewhat related - I had an issue with my 2012 E93 M3 where it was reporting the oil was above max level, as if there was too much oil and there was a problem. The car was still on its factory-shipped I-step version.. I upgraded to the latest I-step and the issue went away - the car now reads its correct oil level and all is well.
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Rajmun340 I experience the same problem with my 2011 BMW M3 coupe, replace the oil level sensor, same problem. What I do is add 1/2 quart of 10W 60 oil drive 45 minutes if the level didn't change I will then reset the oil change meter. I will take a picture of the miles before I reset the meter to know when I need the next oil change.

Exactly why we need a dipstick for the s65!
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Rajmun340 I experience the same problem with my 2011 BMW M3 coupe, replace the oil level sensor, same problem. What I do is add 1/2 quart of 10W 60 oil drive 45 minutes if the level didn't change I will then reset the oil change meter. I will take a picture of the miles before I reset the meter to know when I need the next oil change.

Exactly why we need a dipstick for the s65!
Interesting..........so when you reset the oil mileage meter (supposedly when you change out your oil)...does the ECU measure the oil level and establish that as the baseline? So then recalculating a min/max from that baseline?

Sounds plausible, but then I could see the oil readings being totally off if your tech pours in too much (or vice versa) on the initial fill.
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How many miles on your car? This sounds like blowby on the rings at sustained higher rpms on the freeway.
Car had around 26k miles when i made that post 1 1/2 year ago. I suppose it is blowby on the rings at sustained driving on the freeway. But then again :

1. I am the original owner, took delivery of this car at the Welt in Munich in the summer of 2013.
2. oil consumption has been like this since factory delivery. Initially the BMW dealer told me oil consumption will reduce after break-in. It didn't. I wanted to believe him because it was my brand new car. I have numerous dealer invoices showing i complained about oil consumption over the years. They've evaded the issue everytime claiming it meets BMW tolerance on oil consumption. They eventually printed out a sheet that gave bmw oil consumption spec for motorsport 'S' engines (S65, S85) :
2.5 liters per 1,000 miles
which is = 380 miles / 1 quart of oil.
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Car had around 26k miles when i made that post 1 1/2 year ago. I suppose it is blowby on the rings at sustained driving on the freeway. But then again :

1. I am the original owner, took delivery of this car at the Welt in Munich in the summer of 2013.
2. oil consumption has been like this since factory delivery. Initially the BMW dealer told me oil consumption will reduce after break-in. It didn't. I wanted to believe him because it was my brand new car. I have numerous dealer invoices showing i complained about oil consumption over the years. They've evaded the issue everytime claiming it meets BMW tolerance on oil consumption. They eventually printed out a sheet that gave bmw oil consumption spec for motorsport 'S' engines (S65, S85) :
2.5 liters per 1,000 miles
which is = 380 miles / 1 quart of oil.
Hey Joe, long time no see! Cant see your details from here, did you keep the M3? Or went 340i?

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Hey Joe, long time no see! Cant see your details from here, did you keep the M3? Or went 340i?

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Hi Nik, it made sense to keep it for now, because of depreciation on factory new price and since I am the original owner. It will get harder to find such low mileage cars over time for buyers and they don't make them high revving V8 anymore.
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