Gintani Twin Turbo E9X M3 Kit Dyno Graphs and Video

[dvpouldar26]

I guess now we know why the s65tt kit isn't out in production yet... Gintani is busy working on a s85tt kit...

[WickedE93]

Originally Posted by dvpouldar26

I guess now we know why the s65tt kit isn't out in production yet... Gintani is busy working on a s85tt kit...

We got pushed to the side

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by WickedE93

We got pushed to the side

Apparently, they're also converting the s65tt e90 from a 6mt to a DCT. They're trying out the dodson clutches on both Sticky's m3 and on the s65tt car...maybe thats the hold-up.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by dvpouldar26

I guess now we know why the s65tt kit isn't out in production yet... Gintani is busy working on a s85tt kit...

I guess if you fail to meet deadlines on one kit, why not make it two?

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by dvpouldar26

Apparently, they're also converting the s65tt e90 from a 6mt to a DCT. They're trying out the dodson clutches on both Sticky's m3 and on the s65tt car...maybe thats the hold-up.

Originally Posted by MilehighM3

I guess if you fail to meet deadlines on one kit, why not make it two?

i think they've been working on Sticky's car for a couple of years now. i don't think he's had it in over a year. pretty sad. even if it wasn't my only car. having a shop dick with it for over 6 months is unacceptable.

[SilentAttack]

Why not just close the TT thread. We all know now the only TT M were gonna get in production is an F8xM

[MFL]

That's kind of what happens when you have a donor car. There's lots of downtime.

[GabeS]

People act like they put money down as an investment for this kit..
lol..
I am sure if the owner of the car needs it back he could have it at any time, and I am sure his efforts aren't going unnoticed.

[bradleyland]

This thread is barely 6 months old. Is it unreasonable that a TT kit for the S65 would take 12 months or more to develop? I don't think it is. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it took less than 18 months, if not 24 months or more. That is, if you want to get it right.

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

This thread is barely 6 months old. Is it unreasonable that a TT kit for the S65 would take 12 months or more to develop? I don't think it is. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it took less than 18 months, if not 24 months or more. That is, if you want to get it right.

Eh, I dunno. I do a lot of work on cars and if it was my business to work on cars for a living I think I could produce a working kit in little time. The biggest thing is packaging and the tuning, but I already have a tuner in mind for that. So to fab up a working kit, I think, rather I know I could design/fabricate and assemble one but again I don't do this for a living and real life gets in the way.

[GabeS]

Final cost also comes to mind when creating a mass produced kit, if final cost wasn't a problem I am sure they would have a kit ready.

I think they are trying to get a prototype to have a reasonable cost before mass producing it. also testing takes a long time, if they just created a kit and put it out for sale and next thing you know people start coming back for blown engines 6 months later that would be terrible for business.

If they try to sell the kit for $20k it wont sell too well. you can swap in a V10 for that cost ...

[dvpouldar26]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

This thread is barely 6 months old. Is it unreasonable that a TT kit for the S65 would take 12 months or more to develop? I don't think it is. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it took less than 18 months, if not 24 months or more. That is, if you want to get it right.

Not sure if you've seen the other threads on this. The first thread opened in mid-2013 saying that the car has been running 6 months prior to that... So end of 2012/beginning of 2013. The car has been run and has been in testing since then, without any data being or further information being revealed. Now I have no interest in this kit and solely supply the information above for the forum members who do. I understand that it takes a long time to come out with a quality kit but it's also a poor business model to make a promised deadline that you can't keep, which will only tarnish their reputation. I think those guys are innovative and make great products but you have to be forthright with your clientele because after all, they are the ones paying top dollar for these kits.

While maintaining a quality kit using top parts like tial turbos, casting their manifolds etc, they are also spending lots of time trying to decrease production costs and making a more affordable kit. But, in hindsight, 2 years have gone by since this project first started, the cost of other FI options and the cost of an e9x m3 have drastically dropped, and the highly mod-responsive f8x s55 m4/m3 came out. So in that same time span that they invested a lot of time and money decreasing cost of the twin-turbo kit, now many customers have the option of going with a much cheaper supercharger kit for 6-7k (compared to 12-13k 2.5 years ago), or have just moved on to the f8x m3/m4.

Below I have included the link to the previous thread for your reference:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=849889

[CPWINCH]

welp. No f82 for me. Boosted s65 here I come

[THE-FN-MAN]

Originally Posted by CPWINCH

welp. No f82 for me. Boosted s65 here I come

Get some boost and come play lol

[SECOND2NONE]

Dont want to get my hopes up.. But s85 turbo i definetly will get.. Hooefully most of the hardwork is done since they have been working on the s65 for so long.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

This thread is barely 6 months old. Is it unreasonable that a TT kit for the S65 would take 12 months or more to develop?

Good thing you're not tuning this.... Anyone could fab up a kit and run it off a standalone, but that's easily gonna add another $10k

Originally Posted by GabeS

If they try to sell the kit for $20k it wont sell too well. you can swap in a V10 for that cost ...

Try explaining that to the people spending upwards of $50k on built motor/high power street setups. $20k isn't that much when you consider what you're getting, but the TT-setup is more focused (and will really showcase itself more) on a built motor.

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

Good thing you're not tuning this.... Anyone could fab up a kit and run it off a standalone, but that's easily gonna add another $10k


Try explaining that to the people spending upwards of $50k on built motor/high power street setups. $20k isn't that much when you consider what you're getting, but the TT-setup is more focused (and will really showcase itself more) on a built motor.

I wont argue with someone with boost in their name, haha but yeah, sure, some people have tons of money to throw at their projects, but I am talking about the average enthusiast... just like you said above, they could just throw a stand alone on it and call it a day if they arent worried about cost. Hell, a stand alone would prob run much better anyways.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by GabeS

Hell, a stand alone would prob run much better anyways.

It def would run better with a standalone, strictly looking at the fact you're taking an NA motor and tuning an FI-setup off the factory DME. Adding insult to injury, BMW's DME encryption is NSA level -- Just look at the N54's (factory boosted) and how buggy some of the upgraded turbo setups are.


But especially for a TT-E9x M3, def can't see the factory Traction Control options (Full On, M-Traction, Off) handling the low-end TT-torque very well.

[automotiveaperture]

Good Morning Gintani Gents, any updates?

[Ezio]

idk why people want a turbo kit so bad.

just grab a blower and make 600 HP.

[pbonsalb]

They might want their 7 psi of boost at 4200 rpm rather than only at 8400 rpm.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Ezio

idk why people want a turbo kit so bad.

just grab a blower and make 600 HP.

Every driven a turbo car back to back with a supercharged car? They have a totally different character. Personally, I prefer the linear nature of a supercharger, but I understand why someone would want a turbo. A well designed turbo kit makes torque over a very, very broad range.