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Most of the accidents that occur at true HPDE are in the advanced group with more liberal passing, higher speeds and R-compound tires. They grip like crazy, but they they're done gripping, they just break loose and they really suck if you get in any dirt or the marbles. I've never seen an accident in a beginner or novice group and only saw 1 in and Advanced group in 10 track days the last 2 years. I have been caught in traffic due to an accident on the way to or from a HPDE. Infineon does have walls for half the course, but so does AAA and Laguna Seca, and Willow has LOTS of rocks if you go off, but like I've said, leave DSC on, and you'd have to literally drive off track or be an idiot to get in serious trouble. .
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I have done well over a hundred track days in the last 6-7 years, probably around 25 with this group. Last edited by smmmurf; 06-23-2011 at 10:40 PM.. |
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06-23-2011, 10:57 PM | #95 | |
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I've always done my HPDE with the CCA and it's a very safe environment. .
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Agreed...Most wrecks are in advanced group with R compounds...only time I see trouble in novice group is when the young guys show up with the 650HP Supras and hit 150mph on the straight aways but they have no concept of brake fade......I have seen a few of these guys miss the chicane and go straight through it into the dirt.
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Haha...ride shotgun with an instructor in a Z06 with R compounds and you will know why should be scared...odds favor there will be feces and one testicle floating in your shorts when he is done with you......and your forearm with be numb and sore from you clutching the door handle for 5 minutes straight.
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HPDE's are not about racing. They are about becoming a better driver. And if you've never been to a driving school at a track before, you are fooling yourself thinking you are a good driver. After 18 years of driving, I just learned that 3 weeks ago.
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1) I bought the convertible because I wanted a grand tourer, not a track car.
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Anytime your going 100+mph and pushing a car, it's components, and the driver closer to their limits you will greatly increase your chances for an accident.
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I tracked my e36 m3 when I still had it and enjoyed it a lot. Wouldn't want to track my M5 as it's pretty heavy and would be afraid of crashing it. I'll probably pick up another e36 m3 down the road as a weekend/track car since they're cheap and I wouldn't care as much if something bad happened.
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I know HPDE's can be dangerous. But we are talking about those who have never been to a track before. The beginner group is about as safe as driving can get. There's no reason to scare off those of us who have never been to a track before. There are strict passing rules, you are generally focusing on your line and being smooth rather than trying to go as fast as you can, and you have an instructor sitting next to you to help you out. You aren't going fast enough to where traction control is a hinderance and you are well within the cars limits on your first time out. My first event was through BMWCCA so maybe they just put on a really safe and confidence inspiring event.
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Anyone who is on the fence about going should go, you don't need any special preparations to your car (my race car is a 1986 635csi that I bought for $600 on craigslist and is basically stock mechanically and it handles track duty ok).
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These cars are very forgiving and easy to drive even at 9/10's,a typical new driver is not even at 7/10's and is too busy learning lines and trying to get over fears they've had before coming to the track.100mph is nothing in an M3,let a lone at the race track |
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Likelihood of these things happening isn't very high, but they still can and do happen. Any well run HPDE has rules and procedures in place to minimize these risks but sadly there is simply no such thing as risk free track time.
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The CCA runs a GREAT track day, especially for the new/virgin track person. It was good to see so many M3's out there. I had the Space Grey with the black bra on. You should try to make Buttonwillow in a week. It's suppose to be a great track to learn on. As for driving on congested city roads, it's pretty bad, particularly with people on cell phones and txting; despite Cali laws against doing this, people do it all the time. .
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You will get black flagged quick,for riding someone's bumper for more than a corner at the track events I go to.There is a point by system in place and most follow it or they get reprimanded accordingly.Unless you're in advanced group in an open wheel car or a full on race car nobody is gonna sit on your rear bumper successfully for too long,and if they do let them go by at the next corner or straight.Beginner group sessions are great for anyone looking to enjoy their car in a safe,controlled environment without the fear of the unknown at the next corner.A good instructor is the key for overcoming lot of the unknowns.Ask lots of questions and do a lot of listening,then go out there and apply. |
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The reason not everyone tracks their car is amply demonstrated by the various replies to the OP which range from the eminently sensible to the very definition of why some BMW owners are cocks (if you have put the word pussy in your reply then you are in this group). Everyone is different, people buy cars for there own reasons and the desire to track is not always one of them.
I've done quite a few track days (most in 911s) and really enjoyed them but the idea that tracking your car is more hardcore than driving hard on empty country roads is totally back to front...you make a mistake on the track and you are going to get away with it 999/1000 times, you make a mistake on a tree lined country road at speed and you will be lucky to walk away. The rush is in the danger as much as it is in the speed. |
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I think everyone should try one track day. It will really make you enjoy your car that much more IMO. Especially when we have a car like the e9x m3 where it really shines on a track.
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