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09-28-2018, 12:56 PM | #1 |
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Camber plates or coil-over conversion kit?
So, last week at Watkins Glen, I finally corded my NT-01 track tires. Not too bad, as they lasted a dozen track days this year, but obviously time to get camber plates. Since then I've looked at the well reviewed Ground Control set, currently retailing for about $500 for stock suspension:
https://groundcontrolstore.com/colle...nt=42135448195 But on the same web site there is a nice looking coil-over conversion kit for $1200: https://groundcontrolstore.com/colle...nt=35927809347 This includes the camber plates and lots of other goodies, for a reasonable price difference. So my question is, would it be a good idea to get the conversion kit? Would that be noticeable better on the track than my stock ZCP suspension with camber plates? Or would it compromise the street handling? I haven't really thought about changing the suspension, but here it seems the opportunity presents itself... Any pointers welcome.. |
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With the coil over conversion you can corner balance the car which is always a good things and lower the car. Had the ground control coil over conversion and liked it.
Might speed up wear and tear on stock suspension but it's a good inbetween before committing to a Motorsports coilover like MCS.
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Glad to hear the NT01 can last that long! Getting my first set of them soon, but going to wear out my Hankook RS4 first
If you want to do just camber plates on stock suspension, might be good to look at the Dinan ones. I picked mine up for $138 open box, and I think they're around ~200 new. Negative front camber currently maxes out at -2.55 for me. $158 new example: https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...camber-plates/ |
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But I was intrigued at the modest price difference to the GC coil-over kit, which looks attractive. But I'll probably stick to camber plates for next year, given my ignorance of the whole suspension tuning area. Last edited by Candide13; 10-01-2018 at 11:42 AM.. |
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10-01-2018, 11:39 AM | #7 |
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I know, I was surprised too, though at least one other instructor here on the East coast got the same wear result. Not sure my driving is any different from the usual, though I do make a conscious effort to steer as little as possible, ie I try to maximize trailing throttle oversteer when approaching the apex and early unwind/power-down after the apex.
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The "coilover" from Ground Control are just adjustable height springs. The main failing of the stock suspension are the shocks themselves. It has very short travel and you end up riding on the bumpstops under any kind of hard cornering.
So unless you plan on setting your "coilover" from Ground Control at near stock height - you're better off with a real coilover suspension that includes shorter aftermarket shocks. As for camber plates - I'm also using the Dinan ones. Most of the time you never adjust the camber anyway after install. I love how it retains the stock upper mounts so you have the same NVH as stock. Solid upper mounts with pillowballs usually end up clunking after many miles.
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Which club did you go with? I was there last week too with trackmasters.
Its hard to believe your tires lasted so many days without camber plates. I am not asking what were your lap times at the glen but I am guessing not very good. Not only you will save your track tires for more days but your car will handle significantly better which will allow you to take those high speed corners at much higher pace.
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Yep, speed certainly feeds into the longevity equation. Subjectively, I am doing alright in the fast corners, though there is always room for improvement, so most of my troubles are in the slower corners 7-8-9. Especially trying to get the proper turn in for 7 and 8, I feel like I'm manhandling an elephant that's riding on hockey pucks. Would be great if the increased camber helped with those! I am also hitting the rev limiter in third gear when approaching 6, 7, and 8. So I either switch to fourth gear for a fraction of a second, or I need to bounce/coast the last bit. Not sure how I can solve this as I am not keen on raising the rev limiter. I guess if I can go faster all around then I can spend more time in fourth gear! I know you are an expert on WG, so any pointers for a stock car welcome. Last edited by Candide13; 10-13-2018 at 01:39 PM.. |
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